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<blockquote data-quote="FAL Shot" data-source="post: 527954" data-attributes="member: 27328"><p>WHy would anybody serious about hunting want an obsolete Diana 34, much less a Chinese copy "that just needs some work"???</p><p> </p><p>My BSA Lonestar or Benjamin Marauder .25 cal pumps out 45-50 foot pounds of energy out of the factory, and it's a simple matter of turning the hammer spring screw to get more energy out of it.</p><p> </p><p>Springers must be tuned to a specific pellet weight and lose energy with lighter or heavier pellets. PCP air rifles gain energy with heavier pellets.</p><p> </p><p>Anyone who is anguing about fixing up an obsolete springer for hunting when they could be shooting a modern PCP is as crazy as somebody who is driving a Model T when they could be driving a Corvette.</p><p> </p><p>If you think a springer is great, then I have a standing offer to pay anybody with a springer air rifle of any kind at any price from anywhere with any amount of mods to a day of prairie dog shooting in Montana on private land against my BSA Lonestar. The guy with the most dead PD's gets $1000 from the loser at the end of the day. I have had zero takers, once they see the Lonestar in action. A police sniper proclaimed my shooting equal to sniper grade centerfire shooting at 100 yards.</p><p> </p><p>A Benjamin Marauder or BSA Lonestar can be had for around $500, which is less than the top Weirauch or RWS springers from Germany. More power, less weight, more accuracy, less recoil.....why would anybody argue springers when such rifles are readily available? The Benjamin-Sheridan multi-pumps address those who are too impecunious to go for a full fledged PCP multi-shot.</p><p> </p><p>Capt. Meriwether Lewis took a state-of-the-art PCP repeater air rifle on expedition, the best rifle on hand, better than any of the rifle muskets the others were stuck with. That was in 1803. He knew better way back then. Good for him he didn't watch Bone Collector or get his advice from those who read paid advertisements and talk trash back and for on forums. For some reason those who watch Bone Collector videos and listen to advice from paid hucksters like Jim Shockey think that cheap import springers are OK? Would anybody going to Africa to hunt big game go to a department store to get a rifle, then walk out with an obsolete single-shot black powder rifle??? When you talk springers to me, you tell me you are just that type of person. They are just as stuck in the past and as obsolete against modern air rifles. Some modern PCP custom air rifles are charging to 4500 PSI, and that will go up as technology catches up. 6000 PSI bulk nitrogen has become fairly available in many places (local coal mining operation use tons of the stuff), and 10,000 PSI Russian submarine storage vessels and 4500 PSI Scott Air Pack portable carbon fiber tanks are standard production these days.</p><p> </p><p>Springers are something cheap you sell to cheap people who are playing around instead of getting serious. It's a result of the "toy mentality" that air rifles have been stuck with for a long time, due to the lack of keeping up with curent technology. If going cheap, get a rimfire instead of a springer. Crosman came out with an electronically controlled .357 PCP rifle, so now the high quality/high power air rifles are finally going mainstream in the USA (Daystate has made that type for years in England). Nosler is making custom pellets for the rifle, and others will follow in years ahead. You could toss the springer and get on the bandwagon early, or stay stuck in the past like a Civil War reenactor.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FAL Shot, post: 527954, member: 27328"] WHy would anybody serious about hunting want an obsolete Diana 34, much less a Chinese copy "that just needs some work"??? My BSA Lonestar or Benjamin Marauder .25 cal pumps out 45-50 foot pounds of energy out of the factory, and it's a simple matter of turning the hammer spring screw to get more energy out of it. Springers must be tuned to a specific pellet weight and lose energy with lighter or heavier pellets. PCP air rifles gain energy with heavier pellets. Anyone who is anguing about fixing up an obsolete springer for hunting when they could be shooting a modern PCP is as crazy as somebody who is driving a Model T when they could be driving a Corvette. If you think a springer is great, then I have a standing offer to pay anybody with a springer air rifle of any kind at any price from anywhere with any amount of mods to a day of prairie dog shooting in Montana on private land against my BSA Lonestar. The guy with the most dead PD's gets $1000 from the loser at the end of the day. I have had zero takers, once they see the Lonestar in action. A police sniper proclaimed my shooting equal to sniper grade centerfire shooting at 100 yards. A Benjamin Marauder or BSA Lonestar can be had for around $500, which is less than the top Weirauch or RWS springers from Germany. More power, less weight, more accuracy, less recoil.....why would anybody argue springers when such rifles are readily available? The Benjamin-Sheridan multi-pumps address those who are too impecunious to go for a full fledged PCP multi-shot. Capt. Meriwether Lewis took a state-of-the-art PCP repeater air rifle on expedition, the best rifle on hand, better than any of the rifle muskets the others were stuck with. That was in 1803. He knew better way back then. Good for him he didn't watch Bone Collector or get his advice from those who read paid advertisements and talk trash back and for on forums. For some reason those who watch Bone Collector videos and listen to advice from paid hucksters like Jim Shockey think that cheap import springers are OK? Would anybody going to Africa to hunt big game go to a department store to get a rifle, then walk out with an obsolete single-shot black powder rifle??? When you talk springers to me, you tell me you are just that type of person. They are just as stuck in the past and as obsolete against modern air rifles. Some modern PCP custom air rifles are charging to 4500 PSI, and that will go up as technology catches up. 6000 PSI bulk nitrogen has become fairly available in many places (local coal mining operation use tons of the stuff), and 10,000 PSI Russian submarine storage vessels and 4500 PSI Scott Air Pack portable carbon fiber tanks are standard production these days. Springers are something cheap you sell to cheap people who are playing around instead of getting serious. It's a result of the "toy mentality" that air rifles have been stuck with for a long time, due to the lack of keeping up with curent technology. If going cheap, get a rimfire instead of a springer. Crosman came out with an electronically controlled .357 PCP rifle, so now the high quality/high power air rifles are finally going mainstream in the USA (Daystate has made that type for years in England). Nosler is making custom pellets for the rifle, and others will follow in years ahead. You could toss the springer and get on the bandwagon early, or stay stuck in the past like a Civil War reenactor. [/QUOTE]
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