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Muzzleloader Hunting
Need help! Buying my first ML
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<blockquote data-quote="pooldoc" data-source="post: 1449539" data-attributes="member: 53618"><p>Not trying to make this an ethics issue. Elk are tough animals and can carry a lot of lead. The hard cold facts are found in the ballistic tables. Bullet drop and retained energy for black powder or substitutes ML's at 500 yds are not on any charts I've seen. Remington shows a 23.5 inch drop at 300 yds for the RUM. Several charts indicate that at 200 yds BH 209 has a retained energy of 1,350 fpe. using 120 gr. and a 300 gr bullet: most writers suggest that you need at least 1200 fpe to kill an elk. Draw your own conclusions.</p><p>Given that smokeless muzzle loaders can't be used in most Western states I'd opt for a new Cooper MZ. They make a top quality weapon and all the reviews have been favorable. I understand they are rated for a higher maximum load of BH 209 that anything else on the market. I'm not sure if all the problems with the Remington breech plug have been solved when using BH209. I'm not a fan of pellets.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pooldoc, post: 1449539, member: 53618"] Not trying to make this an ethics issue. Elk are tough animals and can carry a lot of lead. The hard cold facts are found in the ballistic tables. Bullet drop and retained energy for black powder or substitutes ML's at 500 yds are not on any charts I've seen. Remington shows a 23.5 inch drop at 300 yds for the RUM. Several charts indicate that at 200 yds BH 209 has a retained energy of 1,350 fpe. using 120 gr. and a 300 gr bullet: most writers suggest that you need at least 1200 fpe to kill an elk. Draw your own conclusions. Given that smokeless muzzle loaders can't be used in most Western states I'd opt for a new Cooper MZ. They make a top quality weapon and all the reviews have been favorable. I understand they are rated for a higher maximum load of BH 209 that anything else on the market. I'm not sure if all the problems with the Remington breech plug have been solved when using BH209. I'm not a fan of pellets. [/QUOTE]
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