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Reloading
My take on the ladder test and ocw.
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<blockquote data-quote="4ked Horn" data-source="post: 100203" data-attributes="member: 11"><p>Hey rem. I'm going to respond to yet another thing you just posted and I want to let you know I'm not picking on you at all. I have responded to your posts quite a bit lately with a slightly different viewpoint but I'm not trying to nag at you. It just seems that you are posting things that are interesting to me as well. I don't mean to crowd you. We are just bumping elbows in Len's livingroom. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif</p><p></p><p> [ QUOTE ]</p><p> I"ll just continue to use my method and thats loading up 3 shells each with 1g increments, then to fine tune it, go up or down .5g to see if that tightens it up. </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ] </p><p></p><p>I just wanted to say that while this is a valid method of finding a good load (excelent load sometimes) using a 1 grain increment can be just as frustrating as doing a ladder test with an inaccurate gun. It is too easy to pass right over a great load with no signs that it is in the increment you end up rejecting. </p><p></p><p>My case in point is the load I currently use for my .308. I loaded backwards from the max load in .2 gr steps. This took me back 1.6 grains from max. The first group was so so. The next few loads were 2+inch groups. Then I fired a group that had 3 holes touching. Then the groups opened right up again. </p><p></p><p>I guess I'm not dissagreeing with you in total just that I would take much smaller preliminary steps. I don't think I will ever do a work up with more than .4 grain steps. It would take more powder and bullets but I think the "shooting groups" method is best used when you creep up on the load instead of going back and forth in powder and trips to the range.</p><p></p><p>And I will add that after my last few experiences at the range I am quickly becoming a HUGE fan of checking groups at 300 yards or more to see what really works. I'm learning to let the bullets settle into their path to find out what they want to do.</p><p></p><p>All this is just my humble opinion and worth only what it is worth to you if it helps. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="4ked Horn, post: 100203, member: 11"] Hey rem. I'm going to respond to yet another thing you just posted and I want to let you know I'm not picking on you at all. I have responded to your posts quite a bit lately with a slightly different viewpoint but I'm not trying to nag at you. It just seems that you are posting things that are interesting to me as well. I don't mean to crowd you. We are just bumping elbows in Len's livingroom. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [ QUOTE ] I"ll just continue to use my method and thats loading up 3 shells each with 1g increments, then to fine tune it, go up or down .5g to see if that tightens it up. [/ QUOTE ] I just wanted to say that while this is a valid method of finding a good load (excelent load sometimes) using a 1 grain increment can be just as frustrating as doing a ladder test with an inaccurate gun. It is too easy to pass right over a great load with no signs that it is in the increment you end up rejecting. My case in point is the load I currently use for my .308. I loaded backwards from the max load in .2 gr steps. This took me back 1.6 grains from max. The first group was so so. The next few loads were 2+inch groups. Then I fired a group that had 3 holes touching. Then the groups opened right up again. I guess I'm not dissagreeing with you in total just that I would take much smaller preliminary steps. I don't think I will ever do a work up with more than .4 grain steps. It would take more powder and bullets but I think the "shooting groups" method is best used when you creep up on the load instead of going back and forth in powder and trips to the range. And I will add that after my last few experiences at the range I am quickly becoming a HUGE fan of checking groups at 300 yards or more to see what really works. I'm learning to let the bullets settle into their path to find out what they want to do. All this is just my humble opinion and worth only what it is worth to you if it helps. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]
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