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My mission to find the best short barreled big 338!!!
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<blockquote data-quote="Elk Hunter 338" data-source="post: 3080037" data-attributes="member: 23509"><p><strong>Thank you I really like them too, and they have there place and not for everyone. </strong></p><p><strong>I will also stand behind my statement 100%. I set my wanted parameters for my builds before even chambering the barrel. and they do exactly what i expected.. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Also,<strong> guys can use and say whatever they want. I will most definitely use the 300 OTM in a rifle where i can ramp the speed up. These rifles are definitely not that platform. And just because one man Swears by them, doesn't mean they are the end all be all! I've actually hunted and killed with them and know what they do. Obviously they will work, I just want a OTM bullet ran harder..</strong></strong></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>Honestly a 16-20 pound 338 Edge or Lapua shooting a 300 gr bullet at 2800 is a ***** cat. My first true purpose built LR hunting rifle was a 16 pound edge running a 300 gr Sierra @2815fps.. I know what they are capable of and what they are not. </strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>My whole idea in these builds is the felt recoil when suppressed when built in an actual packable rifle 8-9 pounds loaded, that will most definitely be used at short range and longer range shots if needed, 1000 yards being the absolute max range, end of story. Not if i can shoot a 300 gr bullet.. Of course I can, but i promise you from experience you will be under impressed. </strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>Lets do a comparison of my load this last year 230 ELDX vs. a 300 gr tested in a similar rifle, different chambering at 2680 fps, a SOLID average for a 20-22" barreled 338 of any kind.</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>These are actual numbers keeping all parameters equal.. no gain for me or anyone to pad numbers. It only hurts the ones that truly want solid info on what I run year after year. This, running the bullet flight app inputting atmospheric conditions from kestrel that I've used for a long time when I'm at the range testing its fast to use and works. </strong></span><span style="color: rgb(226, 80, 65)"><strong>((((Also take into consideration that I'm shooting the same weight bullet 230 gr @3100fps from a 21" barrel with a wider frontal area than the "deadly" 30 cal 230gr at 2770))))) </strong></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>and for whatever reason this is better suited than my 338 shooting the same weight bullet faster?? Food for thought.. </strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>This data is provided on the Bullet flight app</strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>Range is 825 yards </strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>wind from 3 o'clock @5mph</strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><strong>both rifles zeroed @200 yards</strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>230 ELDX@3100 fps av.</strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>Impact velo 2063fps</strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>Impact energy 2200 ft lbs </strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>Wind drift 1.3 moa</strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>Drop 14.1moa</strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong></strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>300 gr berger otm @2680 fps </strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>Impact velo 1945fps</strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>Impact energy 2521ft lbs</strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>18moa up</strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>1 moa wind drift </strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong></strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>Lets move it to a 1000 yards.. This is the absolute max I would be shooting my setup.. It simply wasn't designed or built for anything past this honestly.</strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong></strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>300 berger</strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>24.2 moa up</strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>1.3 moa wind</strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>impact vleo 1807fps</strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>impact energy 2175ft lbs</strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong></strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>230eldx</strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>19.6 moa up</strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>1.7 moa wind</strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>impact velo 1874 fps</strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>impact energy 1800 ft lbs </strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong></strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong></strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>That is the cut and dry of it! </strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>Is the 300gr right there? of course it is. Is it blowing 230 gr away like every thinks it is? NOPE! I actually wish they would make a 250 gr ELDM after seeing how devastating the 225 is in 300 NIMP.</strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>There is no way for my purpose and use of these specific builds, that I will shoot a 300gr anything and absorb more recoil for absolutely no gain for the parameters I set for my specific builds. </strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong></strong></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"><strong>Now a rifle I build to be a strict canyon rifle that's packed very little, possibly shot suppressed and shot a long ways will have a 28-30" pipe shooting a 285 or 300gr something at a higher velocity to make it worth it .. 100% every time no question.. </strong></span></strong></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elk Hunter 338, post: 3080037, member: 23509"] [B]Thank you I really like them too, and they have there place and not for everyone. I will also stand behind my statement 100%. I set my wanted parameters for my builds before even chambering the barrel. and they do exactly what i expected.. Also,[B] guys can use and say whatever they want. I will most definitely use the 300 OTM in a rifle where i can ramp the speed up. These rifles are definitely not that platform. And just because one man Swears by them, doesn't mean they are the end all be all! I've actually hunted and killed with them and know what they do. Obviously they will work, I just want a OTM bullet ran harder..[/B][/B] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][B]Honestly a 16-20 pound 338 Edge or Lapua shooting a 300 gr bullet at 2800 is a ***** cat. My first true purpose built LR hunting rifle was a 16 pound edge running a 300 gr Sierra @2815fps.. I know what they are capable of and what they are not. My whole idea in these builds is the felt recoil when suppressed when built in an actual packable rifle 8-9 pounds loaded, that will most definitely be used at short range and longer range shots if needed, 1000 yards being the absolute max range, end of story. Not if i can shoot a 300 gr bullet.. Of course I can, but i promise you from experience you will be under impressed. Lets do a comparison of my load this last year 230 ELDX vs. a 300 gr tested in a similar rifle, different chambering at 2680 fps, a SOLID average for a 20-22" barreled 338 of any kind. These are actual numbers keeping all parameters equal.. no gain for me or anyone to pad numbers. It only hurts the ones that truly want solid info on what I run year after year. This, running the bullet flight app inputting atmospheric conditions from kestrel that I've used for a long time when I'm at the range testing its fast to use and works. [/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(226, 80, 65)][B]((((Also take into consideration that I'm shooting the same weight bullet 230 gr @3100fps from a 21" barrel with a wider frontal area than the "deadly" 30 cal 230gr at 2770))))) [/B][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][B]and for whatever reason this is better suited than my 338 shooting the same weight bullet faster?? Food for thought.. [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][B]This data is provided on the Bullet flight app Range is 825 yards wind from 3 o'clock @5mph[/B][/COLOR] [B]both rifles zeroed @200 yards[/B] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)][B]230 ELDX@3100 fps av. Impact velo 2063fps Impact energy 2200 ft lbs Wind drift 1.3 moa Drop 14.1moa 300 gr berger otm @2680 fps Impact velo 1945fps Impact energy 2521ft lbs 18moa up 1 moa wind drift Lets move it to a 1000 yards.. This is the absolute max I would be shooting my setup.. It simply wasn't designed or built for anything past this honestly. 300 berger 24.2 moa up 1.3 moa wind impact vleo 1807fps impact energy 2175ft lbs 230eldx 19.6 moa up 1.7 moa wind impact velo 1874 fps impact energy 1800 ft lbs That is the cut and dry of it! Is the 300gr right there? of course it is. Is it blowing 230 gr away like every thinks it is? NOPE! I actually wish they would make a 250 gr ELDM after seeing how devastating the 225 is in 300 NIMP. There is no way for my purpose and use of these specific builds, that I will shoot a 300gr anything and absorb more recoil for absolutely no gain for the parameters I set for my specific builds. Now a rifle I build to be a strict canyon rifle that's packed very little, possibly shot suppressed and shot a long ways will have a 28-30" pipe shooting a 285 or 300gr something at a higher velocity to make it worth it .. 100% every time no question.. [/B][/COLOR][/B][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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