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<blockquote data-quote="Lightvarmint" data-source="post: 247276"><p>GG (good grouper and not GreyGhost),</p><p></p><p>We are very, very, very sorry that you are a victim and did not get any free bullets to conduct stability tests as some other folks did. However, one cannot just ship free bullets to everyone...... Just ask any bullet maker.... It is a free country (for now at least) and you are free to purchase some to test your methods and ideas (these bullets in no way resemble any bullets in external design or cross section that you referenced). Even better yet, if you are a good lad for the next few days, maybe Santa will bring you some!</p><p></p><p>Of course our 1000 yard phone book test is just around the corner (as soon as the season closes on the testing volunteers). Shooting your test target of choice at 1000 yards still seems the best test to me and also to the multitudes of people who have commented on this to us..... The more variables that you can eliminate the more believable the tests. And, if a phone book is too much of a challenge at 1K then I am sure that most game would be too much of a challenge as well. But, you would have to admit that it is hard to argue with live animal results that have more devestating effects with the HATS at the same ranges as your "control" 300 SMKs. </p><p></p><p>We too use the 300gr SMK as a control bullet (since it is considered the current standard) and compared the results from last years 300gr SMK kills to this years results with the HATS. Same range, distance, aspect and elevation to the target. I thought we had made it clear but maybe not. So again, the HATS were tested at the same ranges on kills this year that the 300gr SMKs were used on kills last year. </p><p></p><p>The most interesting failure of the 300gr SMK last year was the 405 yard shot that did not expand and left an exit wound the size of your little finger. We were extremely lucky to retrieve the animal. Then at 600 yards with the 300gr SMKs, we had a bullet blow up on exit and really made a big mess. Needless to say, we have not had any issues like that during any of our testing of the HATS. Almost forgot, the first 400 yard test last year with the 300gr SMK was a textbook success. I guess the differing results of the 300gr SMKs are due to the variances in the meplat size, heels, heel geometry, boattail radii and temperature at the time of impact. Additionally, we think one of the reason that the HATS perform better is because they are more ductile (less brittle) and can basically be pushed roughly 200 to 250 fps faster in a given case than the 300gr SMKs. They also have a significantly higher BC as compared to the 300 gr SMKs (per 400 yard zero testing and the informational 600 yard drop test) so they do not "shed" their velocity and associated energy as quickly as the 300gr SMK. The additional velocity and rpm also help in terminal performance.</p><p></p><p>These bullets are not for everyone. They are sort of like the Allen Magnums and other larger-cased specilized rifles..... They resemble the highly-specialized top fuel nitro methane dragsters and they have a specific purpose and that is to fly with a flatter trjectory, faster, farther and to hit harder on impact than anthing that is available with a lead-core bullet. </p><p></p><p>Once the instrumental BC testing of the GEN IIs are completed, the numbers will speak for themselves. But until then we still have the eye-opening comparison at 600 yards of 1.4 moa (8.4 inches) less drop with the HATS as compared to the 300gr SMKs when both are zeroed at 400 yards. Other shooters have reported similar results of 2 moa differences (16 inches) at 800 yards. Until we have the instrumental numbers, all of the drop information is just considered rough data.</p><p></p><p>But enough of the above, I am very glad and thankful that we finally had some volunteers (deer and elk) who also became victims of the HATS and agreed to pose for some post event photos.</p><p></p><p>Again, thanks for your interest in the HATS and allowing me the opportunity to discuss them.</p><p></p><p>Merry Christmas and Happy New Year</p><p></p><p>Lightvarmint</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lightvarmint, post: 247276"] GG (good grouper and not GreyGhost), We are very, very, very sorry that you are a victim and did not get any free bullets to conduct stability tests as some other folks did. However, one cannot just ship free bullets to everyone...... Just ask any bullet maker.... It is a free country (for now at least) and you are free to purchase some to test your methods and ideas (these bullets in no way resemble any bullets in external design or cross section that you referenced). Even better yet, if you are a good lad for the next few days, maybe Santa will bring you some! Of course our 1000 yard phone book test is just around the corner (as soon as the season closes on the testing volunteers). Shooting your test target of choice at 1000 yards still seems the best test to me and also to the multitudes of people who have commented on this to us..... The more variables that you can eliminate the more believable the tests. And, if a phone book is too much of a challenge at 1K then I am sure that most game would be too much of a challenge as well. But, you would have to admit that it is hard to argue with live animal results that have more devestating effects with the HATS at the same ranges as your "control" 300 SMKs. We too use the 300gr SMK as a control bullet (since it is considered the current standard) and compared the results from last years 300gr SMK kills to this years results with the HATS. Same range, distance, aspect and elevation to the target. I thought we had made it clear but maybe not. So again, the HATS were tested at the same ranges on kills this year that the 300gr SMKs were used on kills last year. The most interesting failure of the 300gr SMK last year was the 405 yard shot that did not expand and left an exit wound the size of your little finger. We were extremely lucky to retrieve the animal. Then at 600 yards with the 300gr SMKs, we had a bullet blow up on exit and really made a big mess. Needless to say, we have not had any issues like that during any of our testing of the HATS. Almost forgot, the first 400 yard test last year with the 300gr SMK was a textbook success. I guess the differing results of the 300gr SMKs are due to the variances in the meplat size, heels, heel geometry, boattail radii and temperature at the time of impact. Additionally, we think one of the reason that the HATS perform better is because they are more ductile (less brittle) and can basically be pushed roughly 200 to 250 fps faster in a given case than the 300gr SMKs. They also have a significantly higher BC as compared to the 300 gr SMKs (per 400 yard zero testing and the informational 600 yard drop test) so they do not "shed" their velocity and associated energy as quickly as the 300gr SMK. The additional velocity and rpm also help in terminal performance. These bullets are not for everyone. They are sort of like the Allen Magnums and other larger-cased specilized rifles..... They resemble the highly-specialized top fuel nitro methane dragsters and they have a specific purpose and that is to fly with a flatter trjectory, faster, farther and to hit harder on impact than anthing that is available with a lead-core bullet. Once the instrumental BC testing of the GEN IIs are completed, the numbers will speak for themselves. But until then we still have the eye-opening comparison at 600 yards of 1.4 moa (8.4 inches) less drop with the HATS as compared to the 300gr SMKs when both are zeroed at 400 yards. Other shooters have reported similar results of 2 moa differences (16 inches) at 800 yards. Until we have the instrumental numbers, all of the drop information is just considered rough data. But enough of the above, I am very glad and thankful that we finally had some volunteers (deer and elk) who also became victims of the HATS and agreed to pose for some post event photos. Again, thanks for your interest in the HATS and allowing me the opportunity to discuss them. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Lightvarmint [/QUOTE]
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