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<blockquote data-quote="Turpentine21" data-source="post: 2716114" data-attributes="member: 124909">I sold guns for years and still work on them.&nbsp;&nbsp; I hunt and am a Sporting Clays instructor so I see a lot of shells fired year round..&nbsp; I also trap at youth clay events where I get to see all sorts of semi autos being used. &nbsp; I owned two Benellis. Both M1s.&nbsp; They kicked like a mule, were loud, and did not run in cold weather.&nbsp; They preferred Premium ammo and do not run light loads reliably.&nbsp; Buying a benelli is like buying a lottery ticket.&nbsp; One may run and be very dependable, the next two may be a headache and nothing you can do will change it.&nbsp;&nbsp; Break in may help some of them but not all.&nbsp; Seems like 1 in 3 will be a good one.&nbsp; I ordered two for a customer and they arrived and we&#039;re&nbsp; only a couple serial numbers apart.&nbsp; One you couldn&#039;t stop, the other was a train wreck.&nbsp; They are also by far the loudest gun in the field or duck blind.&nbsp; I don&#039;t want to stand beside a guy using one.&nbsp; I can pick them out of a crowd by their report.I found the Browning A 5 to be in that same boat.&nbsp; If you get a good one, hold on to it.&nbsp; Keep an eye on the roll pin that holds your extractor in place.&nbsp; They do break and cause issues.&nbsp; Shame because the old a5 was a solid work horse and one of my favorites since childhood. They were built like a tank.&nbsp; They just don&#039;t disassemble easily and I clean quite a few for folks.&nbsp; They would do well to bring the old style real A5 back.&nbsp; I would buy on In a minute.&nbsp; I shoot a Citori CX for clays and it has been ultra reliable for 10+ years but I have had it rebuilt twice.&nbsp; 100,000 rounds will do that to a shotgun.&nbsp; I owned a gold and a Winchester Super x3.&nbsp; They both lasted about 3 seasons before an array of issues started popping up.&nbsp; Number 1 was braking gas piston springs.&nbsp; At one time I had a box full of them.TriStar.&nbsp; Honestly, save your money.&nbsp;&nbsp; I have seen several that came out of the box a single shot.&nbsp; If I carried a tristar hunting, I would carry a backup and it would not be a TriStar.&nbsp; Had a lesson with a lady that brought two Tristar 28s recently.&nbsp; She ended up finishing with a rental gun.&nbsp; It&#039;s not an if situation with these but a when.&nbsp; They are ok for a youth gun for a kid to shoot for a couple of years but they won&#039;t take much punishment.Mossberg.&nbsp; Just not a fan.&nbsp; The ones I have had experience with were lacking.&nbsp;Remington is a company that I would like to see do well again.&nbsp; But their quality hit rock bottom before bankruptcy.&nbsp; The old 1100s&nbsp; and some 11-87s were good guns but are getting to the age that they do have some fatigue breakdowns.&nbsp; They can be reconditioned to run.&nbsp; I shot 870s, 16 and 12 for years.&nbsp; Early 70s models and I still treasure them.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Fabarm.&nbsp; There are people that swear buy them.&nbsp; But they haven&#039;t been around long enough for a true in the field longevity test.&nbsp; They hit the sporting courses by storm.&nbsp; But the only place I see them now are in the classifieds.&nbsp; I know some folks that went down this road.&nbsp; I&#039;ve seen them at my lessons.&nbsp; Disappointing honestly.&nbsp; They make a nice, adjustable firearm.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Beretta has the best gun for the dollar today in the a300 Ultima.&nbsp; It also comes in a 20.&nbsp; The Ultima is simply a frilly Outlander.&nbsp; It&#039;s simple and it runs. If the Ultima in Kickoff had been a bit earlier I would not have bought my Xtreme Plus.&nbsp;&nbsp; I have 9 Beretta autos from the 390 to the latest a400.&nbsp; Ergonomicly, I prefer the 390 and 391.&nbsp; When Beretta went to the a400 their stocks changed some and the fit did as well.&nbsp; And not for the better.&nbsp; Despite that I still think that they are the best semi auto system made.&nbsp; Their Ultimas and outlanders just keep running and all you have to do is change the $16 action spring every 7500 to 10,000 shots.&nbsp; My Berettas will run loads from 3/4oz to turkey loads dependably.&nbsp; My favorite waterfowl gun is the Xtrema 2.&nbsp;&nbsp; It&#039;s a tank of a gun but it&#039;s dependable.&nbsp; The Unico 3.5 in wood I own has over 40,000 rounds through it.&nbsp; My latest xtreme plus brings mixed emotions.&nbsp; It&#039;s very dependable but the fit isn&#039;t quite there.&nbsp; I shoot it well, but it&#039;s not my favorite.&nbsp; &nbsp; When 20 gauge shells become more plentiful I will by an Ultima in 20 ga.&nbsp; That is if I don&#039;t find an older 303, 390, or 391.I&#039;m not being a hater here.&nbsp; I have owned, tried, and worked on every make mentioned above plus some others.&nbsp; I see all of these in action and have worked on all of them.&nbsp;&nbsp; All a person has to do is look in the high volumn arena of clay sports and the South American hunting operations and see what they are using.&nbsp; They are doing that for a reason. Berettas are there.&nbsp; Benellis are there too.&nbsp; Find a good one and they last.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Turpentine21, post: 2716114, member: 124909"] I sold guns for years and still work on them. I hunt and am a Sporting Clays instructor so I see a lot of shells fired year round.. I also trap at youth clay events where I get to see all sorts of semi autos being used. I owned two Benellis. Both M1s. They kicked like a mule, were loud, and did not run in cold weather. They preferred Premium ammo and do not run light loads reliably. Buying a benelli is like buying a lottery ticket. One may run and be very dependable, the next two may be a headache and nothing you can do will change it. Break in may help some of them but not all. Seems like 1 in 3 will be a good one. I ordered two for a customer and they arrived and we’re only a couple serial numbers apart. One you couldn’t stop, the other was a train wreck. They are also by far the loudest gun in the field or duck blind. I don’t want to stand beside a guy using one. I can pick them out of a crowd by their report. I found the Browning A 5 to be in that same boat. If you get a good one, hold on to it. Keep an eye on the roll pin that holds your extractor in place. They do break and cause issues. Shame because the old a5 was a solid work horse and one of my favorites since childhood. They were built like a tank. They just don’t disassemble easily and I clean quite a few for folks. They would do well to bring the old style real A5 back. I would buy on In a minute. I shoot a Citori CX for clays and it has been ultra reliable for 10+ years but I have had it rebuilt twice. 100,000 rounds will do that to a shotgun. I owned a gold and a Winchester Super x3. They both lasted about 3 seasons before an array of issues started popping up. Number 1 was braking gas piston springs. At one time I had a box full of them. TriStar. Honestly, save your money. I have seen several that came out of the box a single shot. If I carried a tristar hunting, I would carry a backup and it would not be a TriStar. Had a lesson with a lady that brought two Tristar 28s recently. She ended up finishing with a rental gun. It’s not an if situation with these but a when. They are ok for a youth gun for a kid to shoot for a couple of years but they won’t take much punishment. Mossberg. Just not a fan. The ones I have had experience with were lacking. Remington is a company that I would like to see do well again. But their quality hit rock bottom before bankruptcy. The old 1100s and some 11-87s were good guns but are getting to the age that they do have some fatigue breakdowns. They can be reconditioned to run. I shot 870s, 16 and 12 for years. Early 70s models and I still treasure them. Fabarm. There are people that swear buy them. But they haven’t been around long enough for a true in the field longevity test. They hit the sporting courses by storm. But the only place I see them now are in the classifieds. I know some folks that went down this road. I’ve seen them at my lessons. Disappointing honestly. They make a nice, adjustable firearm. Beretta has the best gun for the dollar today in the a300 Ultima. It also comes in a 20. The Ultima is simply a frilly Outlander. It’s simple and it runs. If the Ultima in Kickoff had been a bit earlier I would not have bought my Xtreme Plus. I have 9 Beretta autos from the 390 to the latest a400. Ergonomicly, I prefer the 390 and 391. When Beretta went to the a400 their stocks changed some and the fit did as well. And not for the better. Despite that I still think that they are the best semi auto system made. Their Ultimas and outlanders just keep running and all you have to do is change the $16 action spring every 7500 to 10,000 shots. My Berettas will run loads from 3/4oz to turkey loads dependably. My favorite waterfowl gun is the Xtrema 2. It’s a tank of a gun but it’s dependable. The Unico 3.5 in wood I own has over 40,000 rounds through it. My latest xtreme plus brings mixed emotions. It’s very dependable but the fit isn’t quite there. I shoot it well, but it’s not my favorite. When 20 gauge shells become more plentiful I will by an Ultima in 20 ga. That is if I don’t find an older 303, 390, or 391. I‘m not being a hater here. I have owned, tried, and worked on every make mentioned above plus some others. I see all of these in action and have worked on all of them. All a person has to do is look in the high volumn arena of clay sports and the South American hunting operations and see what they are using. They are doing that for a reason. Berettas are there. Benellis are there too. Find a good one and they last. [/QUOTE]

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