muzzle brakes

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by stric9, Jul 13, 2006.

  1. stric9

    stric9 Member

    Jul 12, 2006
    i been looking at all the different threads on this board and i seen several people talk about the vais muzzle brake.

    i have pretty much decided on a sendero 300rum and i'm going to put a brake on it.
    i have several brakes from answer products and really am impressed with them.has anyone else here have any experience with this muzzle brake?
    anyway i always opened minded for something better if it's out there so give me your opinons and or experiences with muzzle brakes.

  2. reed mosser

    reed mosser Well-Known Member

    Sep 16, 2003
    First off most breaks out there work pretty good. I think tank styles breaks like JP and holland work the best. But on the switch side for the money i don't think you can beat Harrel's. The vias style works good but I don't think there worth the money they want for them. Harrels breaks are $30 and the jp tank style are around a $100. Hope this helps

  3. redbone

    redbone Well-Known Member

    Jul 3, 2005
    Go with the Vais brake , the money should not matter .
    You spend that much money for a rifle an then go cheepst rouite the rest of the way . I would not go with the cheepest route ,

    I have an Vais on my 7 mm stw an love it. I have an buddy that put an vais on a 300 Mag it made the recoil feel like an 308 or 30 06 recoil .
  4. Fiftydriver

    Fiftydriver <strong>Official LRH Sponsor</strong>

    Jun 12, 2004
    Shawn Carlock of Defensive Edge, Inc has released three new brake designs. They come in a small 1/2" thread diameter, medium 5/8" and he just told me he now has his large 1" diameter brakes ready to roll.

    I have always been a Holland man but with my Allen Magnums, especially when chambered in lighter weight rifles, the Hollands almost produced to much down trust from their top ports which really are not needed with a large capacity small to medium bore rifle.

    As such I have switched from Holland to the Defensive Edge brake edge Brakes as my go-to choice. I will fit whatever a customer wants but if its left up to me it will be a Defensive Edge.

    With the Hollands I always had a vibration in the barrel after the shot, they reduce felt recoil very well but you could just feel that vibration and in lighter rifles like my 257 Allen Mag, you would actually loose the sight picture from the barrel being forced down to aggressively.

    I have tested Shawns new brakes on my 6.5mm Allen Mag and 270 Allen Mags and recoil reduction is the same as the Hollands, but the difference is the rifles feel rock solid at the shot, no vibration at all, no recoil either!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

    They are fully machined and made from true 416 stainless to better match most match grade stainless steel barrels of the same alloy.

    Price wise they run the same installed as a Holland but I feel they are a better brake in several aspects.

    Good Shooting!!

    Kirby Allen(50)
  5. Hired Gun

    Hired Gun Well-Known Member

    Apr 21, 2003
    Where can we see a detailed picture os Shawn's new brake?
  6. James Jones

    James Jones Well-Known Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    I personaly like the baffel style brakes like the holland and feel that they are a better choice if your gonna be shooting from a bench or from prone. If a brake has ports in the bottom its gonna disturb anything thats under the gun like dirt and such which generaly ends up in your eye.
    Go with the Holland or The Defensive edge brake.
  7. Fiftydriver

    Fiftydriver <strong>Official LRH Sponsor</strong>

    Jun 12, 2004
    Here is one of Shawns smaller diameter 1/2" thread brakes. They are slightly longer then the Holland but will also be closer to the muzzle diameter as well.


    This is the side view(obviously /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif) compared to a Holland 1/2" threaded QD brake.

    The ports are round instead of oblong on this small brake design and the top of each port is releaved to offer JUST enough vertical muzzle control on light weight rifles but not so much that it will pin the barrel down into the stock.


    This the top view also compared with a Holland 1/2" thread brake. You can see the relief on the top of each port. This is the brake that is on my lightweight 7mm Allen Mag(7.5 lbs) which is currently with Shawn getting teflon coated flat Black. It will soon be put through its paces and I will report fully on the performance of that brake and rifle for that matter.

    The 5/8" threaded brake is very simpliar to the Holland in appearance except that the ports are slightly different in size and position in relationship to each other. Also, the 5/8" brake comes untapered and in that state will match up nearly perfectly with a #8 Lilja contour barrel with a muzzle diameter in the 0.875" range. For all smaller diameter barrels you can easily taper the brake to match the muzzle diameter. The ports on these brakes are not releaved at the top of each port. The barrels these brakes are designed for are relatively heavy contoured barrels so muzzle jump is really not a concern. Recoil reduction is the main chore and this design works very well, at least equally as well as the Holland.

    This is the brake I have tested on my wifes 6.5mm Allen Magnum. I do not have any detailed pics of it yet but I can get a few taken and post them.

    I have yet to get any of the new 1" diameter brakes but will be soon.

    Not the best pics but they give you an idea.

    Kirby Allen(50)
  8. bailey1474

    bailey1474 <strong>SPONSOR</strong>

    Dec 7, 2004
    Nice looking brake.

    I'd recommend you stay away from anything that has ports on the bottom unless you like to bathe you and your gun in dirt when firing prone.
  9. Guest

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    [ QUOTE ]
    Go with the Vais brake , the money should not matter .
    You spend that much money for a rifle an then go cheepst rouite the rest of the way . .... I have an buddy that put an vais on a 300 Mag it made the recoil feel like an 308 or 30 06 recoil .

    [/ QUOTE ]

    It kicks that bad? I have a 308 WCF, two 300 RUMS (including a Sendero), a 338 RUM and a 375 RUM all with Holland QD Breaks. My 375 RUM kicks like a .243 win. (admittedly, the 30" #8 contour Lilja pipe softens the kick).

    After shooting my 375 Kirby/Lilja RUM at the range last year, I grabbed my favorite factory stick, an A-bolt 270 WSM and quickly acquired magnum eye and a bad case of flinch. Getting spoiled by the Holland QD's on big guns made it impossible to shoot the little 270 WSM. I immediately shipped it to Kirby for a Holland QD and trigger job. As an added bonus it shoots better now than original (probably from the better crowning Kirby did and the trigger job).

    All my new guns will sport Shawn's breaks.
  10. Steve7mm08

    Steve7mm08 Well-Known Member

    Oct 21, 2006
    How would I go about getting one of these Defensive Edge brakes?

    I live in New Zealand, do you know if Shawn would ship them over here? We are getting a Lilja barrell sent over in a month or so (7MM diameter) for either a 7mm RUM or 7MM-338

    Thanks, Steve
  11. Buffalobob

    Buffalobob Writers Guild

    Jun 12, 2001
    Send him an email and see what he has to say for himself. This is his website.


    By the way, when a persons name appears in black letters it means they are no longer a recognized member of this forum so you should not be clicking on "reply" to their post.
  12. philny1

    philny1 Well-Known Member

    Dec 27, 2006
    I have KDF brakes on a 30-378, 338 Lapua and a 375 H&amp;H. The only other brake I have experience with is the Wby Accubrake, would say they're comparable.
  13. Shawn Carlock

    Shawn Carlock Sponsor

    Jun 11, 2007
  14. remingtonman_25_06

    remingtonman_25_06 Well-Known Member

    Jun 4, 2003
    You might wanna think twice on Vais as they have holes all the way around. LIke what Bill or Lerch said, if you or your rifle likes to take baths in sand or dirt, by all means go ahead and get a Vais. Otherwise, you'd be better off getting something with no ports on the bottom. However, a lot of this dictates how you'll be using the rifle. If you dont shoot prone a lot, or in a sandy dusty environment, its probly of no concern to you. Where I live, dust and sand, I didn't want that sandblasting my objective scope lens, not to mention getting dirt underneath my shirt.