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<blockquote data-quote="Mysticplayer" data-source="post: 84345" data-attributes="member: 8947"><p><strong>Re: Most \"Inherently Accurate\" Cartridges</strong></p><p></p><p>Very good points. From a Factory perspective, the 308 definitely has a better SAAMI chamber, for the most part. So a cartridge may be made to look good or bad simply by the errors in the SAAMI specs.</p><p></p><p>Were you aware of how many 308 spec chambers there are?</p><p></p><p>I have seen enough great shooting '06 to say that all is not lost. Many of the best shooters were actually WW1 P17 enfields. The several that I have played with were sub MOA (yes, orig barrel and action in a sporterised config - BSA to be exact. Amazing). My hunting rifle for several years was one of these and no issue keeping up with any 308 out to 1000m.</p><p></p><p>If a measure of inherent accuracy is its ability to shoot anything well, alright, the 308 is a very friendly cartridge. </p><p></p><p>However, you also include the 6.5-284. That one is quite particular of its likes. Just that its main use is target shooting so no one complains as they use the same basic components. Only a few powders work in that puppy. So does that make the 6.5-284 less inherently accurate?</p><p></p><p>The PPC and BR have very different applications so their 'accuracy' cannot be compared. The short range game has a very narrow window for perfection. The PPC has that edge right now.</p><p></p><p>For LR, the PPC would not even make the also rans. Here the BR and its many variants shines. how many 1000yd records does the PPC hold vs the BR? Does that make the PPC less accurate then the BR?</p><p></p><p>Does it mean that a fork is a better utensil then a spoon?</p><p></p><p>If we allow cartridge accuracy to be determined by the SAAMI chamber or worse, what a factory ends up with, many very accurate choices would never make the cut. Ever have a factory rifle with a throat so long you couldn't touch the lands with the bullet almost out of the case? Many Rem 700's are blessed with these superb chambers. Is the Rem700 no longer an accurate rifle? Are those cartridges no longer accurate in ALL rifles?</p><p></p><p>since we are concerned with LR accuracy, we do play with the chamber and cartridge to make it work its best. Just look at the success of the 300Wby at 1000yds. Orig config? not in your life. The Baer, 300AI (all three versions), 30STW all have roots in the good ole H&amp;H/Wby case. With some proper design for its intended uses, this case goes from a big game short range stomper to a LR cannon par excellence. Is the 300 Wby cartridge accurate or not?</p><p></p><p>So do a little test if you can. Get, borrow, or buy two Stevens 200 or Savage 10/110 rifles, one in 308 and 30-06. They will be in sporter config as heavy barreled '06 are rare. Load each properly, bed each rifle properly, shoot them side by side. I bet they both shoot equally when their favorite loads are used. The only obvious difference is the '06 going a bit faster.</p><p></p><p>From the shoulder forward, determines accuracy. From the shoulder back, determines horsepower/velocity. Despite what marketing tells you.</p><p></p><p>Jerry</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mysticplayer, post: 84345, member: 8947"] [b]Re: Most \"Inherently Accurate\" Cartridges[/b] Very good points. From a Factory perspective, the 308 definitely has a better SAAMI chamber, for the most part. So a cartridge may be made to look good or bad simply by the errors in the SAAMI specs. Were you aware of how many 308 spec chambers there are? I have seen enough great shooting '06 to say that all is not lost. Many of the best shooters were actually WW1 P17 enfields. The several that I have played with were sub MOA (yes, orig barrel and action in a sporterised config - BSA to be exact. Amazing). My hunting rifle for several years was one of these and no issue keeping up with any 308 out to 1000m. If a measure of inherent accuracy is its ability to shoot anything well, alright, the 308 is a very friendly cartridge. However, you also include the 6.5-284. That one is quite particular of its likes. Just that its main use is target shooting so no one complains as they use the same basic components. Only a few powders work in that puppy. So does that make the 6.5-284 less inherently accurate? The PPC and BR have very different applications so their 'accuracy' cannot be compared. The short range game has a very narrow window for perfection. The PPC has that edge right now. For LR, the PPC would not even make the also rans. Here the BR and its many variants shines. how many 1000yd records does the PPC hold vs the BR? Does that make the PPC less accurate then the BR? Does it mean that a fork is a better utensil then a spoon? If we allow cartridge accuracy to be determined by the SAAMI chamber or worse, what a factory ends up with, many very accurate choices would never make the cut. Ever have a factory rifle with a throat so long you couldn't touch the lands with the bullet almost out of the case? Many Rem 700's are blessed with these superb chambers. Is the Rem700 no longer an accurate rifle? Are those cartridges no longer accurate in ALL rifles? since we are concerned with LR accuracy, we do play with the chamber and cartridge to make it work its best. Just look at the success of the 300Wby at 1000yds. Orig config? not in your life. The Baer, 300AI (all three versions), 30STW all have roots in the good ole H&H/Wby case. With some proper design for its intended uses, this case goes from a big game short range stomper to a LR cannon par excellence. Is the 300 Wby cartridge accurate or not? So do a little test if you can. Get, borrow, or buy two Stevens 200 or Savage 10/110 rifles, one in 308 and 30-06. They will be in sporter config as heavy barreled '06 are rare. Load each properly, bed each rifle properly, shoot them side by side. I bet they both shoot equally when their favorite loads are used. The only obvious difference is the '06 going a bit faster. From the shoulder forward, determines accuracy. From the shoulder back, determines horsepower/velocity. Despite what marketing tells you. Jerry [/QUOTE]
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