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<blockquote data-quote="bigngreen" data-source="post: 463810" data-attributes="member: 13632"><p>The problems hunting in MT are slowly coming to a head for locals, I believe there are three major issues that are at hand and will be difficult to deal with. </p><p>The most recent is the wolf issue, whatever your view point on wolves in general the Canadian wolf is not native to this area and the game animal types can not sustain them over all of the MT landscape, in some areas like mine the elk can get down and get some relief, in others they have been nearly wiped out. As a non native specie I think they should be removed but that just is not going to happen so we need management!!!</p><p>The second issue is that MT is turning into Federal wilderness with no access. Every year it seems like there are more people hunting but that not the case, what has happened is the roads are being closed down and access is being pushed onto one ore two roads for an area with a parking lot at the end of them. This is big country, in my area I used to be able to access every drainage with a truck, not road hunting but accessing and area. The same area now has two access points that dead end, there is three miles between them and the north end is the only access for 8+ miles, this is effectively wilderness area. This pushes all the same hunters into a smaller area causing tension and pushing game farther back from it so that your average hunter without horses or $$$ can not access the elk on public ground that we all own!!</p><p>The third issue is the private ground vs wildlife access issue that has kinda come up from the first two. I own a small piece of MT so I understand and fully support land owner rights but that said in MT it has become a way to control access to public land and game and to horde game on private ground. Wildlife in MT is like the wind it is a resource that is for everyone and not owned, this is how it is legally and just how it has all ways been. But now you have large land owners who have no interest in cattle, which is what pushes our economy, but want to create massive private shooting preserves for themselves, I'm fine with that on private ground! All of the ranches here are in the bottom ground and so is the road, so to access the NF or BLM you have to cross private land at some point, many times this amounts to 100yrds in some cases or maybe a mile and these have been unwritten access point since the late 1800's and have been maintained as such with the original land owner. But now we have land owners that do not care how it has been for 100+years and they close of access and land lock millions of acres of NF and BLM, all the while they access it though their private ground and treat the public ground as their own. One simple solution that has been tried is to just punch in an access road via public ground, but then you have the issue of the land owner then becoming very uncooperative with the BLM and NF and in this small a community strings can be pulled so access is still denied and the NF and BLM can not wade through the red tape and law suites of putting in a road anymore. These guys love MT for the wildlife and access to it, unlike the areas most are from back east but then they buy a piece of MT and turn into exactly what has ruined their hunting back east. MT is slowly turning into what they fled from. The only solution that has worked is Block land dollars for access across, not to but across the private.</p><p></p><p>This is in my area, other areas of MT have other issues and are different but in my area is where 75% of MT elk are and most of the cattle ranches so this is the issues I see. Sorry for being long winded but I really want you non resident guys to know the issues aren't with you coming and hunting, it goes way deeper than that!!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bigngreen, post: 463810, member: 13632"] The problems hunting in MT are slowly coming to a head for locals, I believe there are three major issues that are at hand and will be difficult to deal with. The most recent is the wolf issue, whatever your view point on wolves in general the Canadian wolf is not native to this area and the game animal types can not sustain them over all of the MT landscape, in some areas like mine the elk can get down and get some relief, in others they have been nearly wiped out. As a non native specie I think they should be removed but that just is not going to happen so we need management!!! The second issue is that MT is turning into Federal wilderness with no access. Every year it seems like there are more people hunting but that not the case, what has happened is the roads are being closed down and access is being pushed onto one ore two roads for an area with a parking lot at the end of them. This is big country, in my area I used to be able to access every drainage with a truck, not road hunting but accessing and area. The same area now has two access points that dead end, there is three miles between them and the north end is the only access for 8+ miles, this is effectively wilderness area. This pushes all the same hunters into a smaller area causing tension and pushing game farther back from it so that your average hunter without horses or $$$ can not access the elk on public ground that we all own!! The third issue is the private ground vs wildlife access issue that has kinda come up from the first two. I own a small piece of MT so I understand and fully support land owner rights but that said in MT it has become a way to control access to public land and game and to horde game on private ground. Wildlife in MT is like the wind it is a resource that is for everyone and not owned, this is how it is legally and just how it has all ways been. But now you have large land owners who have no interest in cattle, which is what pushes our economy, but want to create massive private shooting preserves for themselves, I'm fine with that on private ground! All of the ranches here are in the bottom ground and so is the road, so to access the NF or BLM you have to cross private land at some point, many times this amounts to 100yrds in some cases or maybe a mile and these have been unwritten access point since the late 1800's and have been maintained as such with the original land owner. But now we have land owners that do not care how it has been for 100+years and they close of access and land lock millions of acres of NF and BLM, all the while they access it though their private ground and treat the public ground as their own. One simple solution that has been tried is to just punch in an access road via public ground, but then you have the issue of the land owner then becoming very uncooperative with the BLM and NF and in this small a community strings can be pulled so access is still denied and the NF and BLM can not wade through the red tape and law suites of putting in a road anymore. These guys love MT for the wildlife and access to it, unlike the areas most are from back east but then they buy a piece of MT and turn into exactly what has ruined their hunting back east. MT is slowly turning into what they fled from. The only solution that has worked is Block land dollars for access across, not to but across the private. This is in my area, other areas of MT have other issues and are different but in my area is where 75% of MT elk are and most of the cattle ranches so this is the issues I see. Sorry for being long winded but I really want you non resident guys to know the issues aren't with you coming and hunting, it goes way deeper than that!! [/QUOTE]
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