Modify Other Barrels to Savage Barrel Nut?

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  1. MontanaRifleman

    MontanaRifleman Well-Known Member

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    Would it be possible to modify take off barrels from other manufacturers, i.e., Remington, Howa, etc., to the Savage barrel nut design to mount to a Savage action. In this case I'm thinking of someone who might have a few wildcats that require fireforming. Takeoff barrels would be good for fire forming and if configured to the Savage barrel nut, a person could use just one action for fireforming several cartridges.

    Bad idea?
     
  2. J E Custom

    J E Custom Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn,t say it is a bad idea, just impractical and costly.

    If you use a Remington barrel you would have to turn the barrel down to 1" and re thread it to 1" 16 TPI

    You could take a barrel and cut the tenon off and turn it to 1 1/16th and thread it to 1 1/16 TPI and make a barrel nut if you wanted to convert a Remington or any other action to work like a Savage.

    OR you could just buy new savage barrels or take offs.

    The main reason that I eliminate the barrel nut is, less moving parts and fit tolerances, You can have
    a larger barrel shank (Normally 1.250 or 1.375) that adds strength around the chamber on large cases.
    And looks better IMO.

    J E CUSTOM
     

  3. MontanaRifleman

    MontanaRifleman Well-Known Member

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    Thanks JE, but this would not be for looks, only function and the only use would be fire forming.

    The benefit would be saving wear and tear and throat life on the primary rifle. The question would be... would it be worth it?

    Takeoff barrels, whatever they would be, would be reamed with the project reamer.

    If a person was going to fire a couple hundred cases or more for a particular rifle, it might be something to consider.
     
  4. westcliffe01

    westcliffe01 Well-Known Member

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    Whats the point of fireforming in a different chamber than the final one in your weapon ? The head space could be different, the reamer could be different, there are so many variables...

    I fireform for my 243 AI by shooting a loaded bullet from the rifle. It groups 1/2moa and while velocity may be lower it is pretty consistent. I will hunt with my "fireforming" load.
     
  5. MontanaRifleman

    MontanaRifleman Well-Known Member

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    Actually, a fair number of folks do it including some smiths. The benefit as I mentioned is less wear and tear and on rifle and throat. The idea would be to use the same reamer and headspace guages.
     
  6. bigngreen

    bigngreen Well-Known Member

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    I'm going to set up a couple fire forming barrels soon but instead converting over to a Rem nut situation and removing your main barrel I think it'd be better to just find a 200 dollar savage rifle then reconfigure to a fire forming situation. I'm going to chamber both ends of a 6.5 barrel so I get two different chamberings that I can fire form and I'm only into it one barrel.
     
  7. MontanaRifleman

    MontanaRifleman Well-Known Member

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    Yup, that's exactly what I'm talking about. One Savage action to do all you fireforming with different takeoff barrels.
     
  8. bigngreen

    bigngreen Well-Known Member

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    Heck, it's the end of the day and my reading comprehension is running on minimum by the looks of it :D
     
  9. MontanaRifleman

    MontanaRifleman Well-Known Member

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    My reading comprehension normally runs on minimum :rolleyes::D
     
  10. ntg

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    Seems like I remember a website that had barrels that did just what you're talking about...I'll have to see if I can find it when I'm not so tired.
     
  11. FEENIX

    FEENIX Well-Known Member

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    I remember reading similar to what you're talking about but I too don't have the reference site.

    Also, there was a website (sorry, don't have that either) that fire-forms using hydraulic press.
     
  12. J E Custom

    J E Custom Well-Known Member

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    Any more, this is what I recommend doing.

    I have 3 wildcats that require fire forming and have built many more and they all shoot under a 1/2
    MOA during fire forming with hunting loads.

    In the 280 AIs I use standard 280 Rem Loads as well as every other wild cat. 22 K Hornet,223 AI,
    7/08x40,30/06 AI,300 Rumbo,338/375x40 (These are not Squib loads but standard hunting loads
    and velocity's.

    Unless you are in a hurry to fire form this works well and no more fire forming is necessary as is with
    Squib loads and barrel life if not wasted fire forming with loads that can not be used for anything.

    I also use standard loads to do the breaking and end up with over 20 fire formed cases to start load
    development with the modified cases.

    It seems like a lot of trouble and expense but each to his own.

    J E CUSTOM
     
  13. ntg

    ntg Well-Known Member

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    Well number 8 and 9 (in the following link) may be what remember reading. I haven't found a place selling them yet online.

    Savage FAQ
     
  14. Trickymissfit

    Trickymissfit Well-Known Member

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    Pacnor and I think maybe Mcgowen off these.
    gary