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Message: <blockquote data-quote="PNWdude67" data-source="post: 1715914" data-attributes="member: 110615">Hey Tommy, If you were able to hold a 4 inch group at 400... not that much changes at 650 that things would be outside 6 MOA. You have a good optic so work on "keeping your face in the gun"(Phillip Velayo, gunwerks)" which means see your impact thru your optic.  With practice, proper recoil management and a decent brake you will even see bullet trace to impact! Other than your scope fixation coming loose, your rifleman mechanics would be the only other factor to cause this. The first time I shot out that far I sucked, but you can't shoot better the second time if you don't try a first! Good luck with your shooting and hunting!</blockquote>