Missed deer WTF!!

Discussion in 'The Basics, Starting Out' started by Quilcene Brian, Jan 12, 2011.

  1. Quilcene Brian

    Quilcene Brian Member

    Messages:
    8
    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2011
    Last November while hunting with my partner in Montana I had three opurtunitys at three nice bucks. Two were whitetail bucks and one Muley. All were wall hangers.
    I missed all three Clean...
    One shot was 170 yards One was 268 yards and one was 358 yds.. I checked these ranges with a range finder,
    I am noted among my hunting peers as being a dead eye shot and I never miss.
    I shoot a Ruger 270 stainless with a 3x9 Leopold
    I hand load a 130grn speer SPBT with 53 grn of IMR4350
    I crimp each round with a lee crimper.
    I sight my rifle in at 200yds to shoot 2 inches high.
    My theory is my trigger pull seemed hard and I was pulling up while shooting. Or am I just getting old and cant hit S$$t anymore. It seemed like I was shooting high. any suggestions would be appreciated... I have made long shots up to 400 yards with no problems.
     
  2. Long Trang

    Long Trang Active Member

    Messages:
    44
    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2010
    Did you verify your zero before the hunt? I'm assuming you were with your partner in Montana and that you were visiting? If so, anytime you transport a rifle with a mounted optic (especially by plane) you need to reverify the zero.

    The other possibility is the increased trigger pull you mentioned. That one sounds very odd. Try to find out why the trigger felt so hard. I'm sure you know just how much pull your trigger is normally set.

    Good luck.
     

  3. screech

    screech Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,193
    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2005
    check zero and get it so it isnt so high. I missed way more bucks having a gun that shoots 2" high at 100 than I have holding over at 3-400
     
  4. roninflag

    roninflag Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,226
    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2006
    what size three shot groups does your ruger shoot at 358 yards??
     
  5. Buffalobob

    Buffalobob Writers Guild

    Messages:
    5,083
    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2001
    Give the crimper to your mother-in-law on her birthday and tell her it fits in the blender.
     
  6. Buffalobob

    Buffalobob Writers Guild

    Messages:
    5,083
    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2001
    Secondly, take the rifle out of the stock and the bolt out and use a good spray type carb cleaner on the trigger and on the bolt to get old built up oil out of the firing pin mechanism and the trigger mechanism.

    Put everything back together and test the bolt closure and trigger to ensure it does not fire upon closing.

    Cold weather, old sticky oil and slow lock time coupled with any other problems is a problem and crimping isn't helping anything.
     
  7. Oliveralan

    Oliveralan Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    987
    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2009
    All good advice, however to me this sounds like most likely an unchecked zero. I doubt a slightly heavier trigger or slightly slower lock time would throw you completely off a deer sized target at those ranges, maybe at the 350yard shot but not all three...
     
  8. Quilcene Brian

    Quilcene Brian Member

    Messages:
    8
    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2011
    Thanks for the suggestions.
    The crimper will be removed from my reloading bench. I did tear down the rifle when I returned from Montana. I did get a nice 5x5 white tail by the way (10 point for you fellas east of the Mississippi.
    I found some grit down in the trigger mechanism which I cleaned with a degreaser.
    I then put a blank round in the chamber and tired the trigger. Bingo the pull was better.
    Im sure now after reading your suggestions the trigger pull was off but I think the real culprit was a poorly sighted in rifle.

    I usually get back 300 yards to sight it in and can usually shoot shoot a 2 inch group from a rest.
    I dont have a range near me so I use this old blocked off logging road where I can get back to 300 yards. Well the state decided too many butt heads had dumped to much garbage on it so they closed the access.
    I just didnt take enough time with my rifle before the season started. Lesson learned.
     
  9. Magnumitis

    Magnumitis Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    406
    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2010
    I'd recommend just zeroing your rifle at 200 yards.
     
  10. flyin lizard

    flyin lizard Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    361
    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2008
    Two inchs high at 200, thats is a bit much, I would go point of aim at 200.
     
  11. LRSickle

    LRSickle Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    613
    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2009
    You missed one at 170 and another one at 268. What about buck fever? Seriously, it happens to alot of people. Please don't be offended. I'm just sayin'.
     
  12. 21buck

    21buck Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    185
    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2008
    With a sticking trigger, airline handling, sighting in too high, and buck fever ??, there are lessons for all of us. Congrats on getting a whitetail. Been there and done that in my earlier days. Sighting in 1.5" for most occasions is ideal and close to dead on at 200 yards, for me has put more meat in the pot.
     
  13. J E Custom

    J E Custom Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    7,258
    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2004
    Everyone misses . but three times in a row !! It tells me that you have a sight problem. The bases, rings or the scope it's self . go to the range and shoot at 100 or 200yards and see where it hits.

    Sometimes things get lose or fail and all at the worst time.

    Check the zero.

    J E CUSTOM
     
  14. Willys46

    Willys46 Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    506
    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2006
    I had the same excat thing happen. I used to point and shoot and then started getting into long-range shooting. I started practicing a lot more all the time. I started focusing on fundamentals in shooting and sight picture.

    When practicing I would look for the perfect alignment for my cross hairs and line them up on the target. When I transferred this to deer I relized I was trained to line up my cross hairs perfectly and that happened to be the back of the deer. I was placing my horizontal cross hairs on the back and shooting high.

    After I missed I went and resighted my gun...dead nuts on. When I went to bed I had a mental picture of my sights on the target and BAM it hit me.

    When shooting at deer you can get excited and you fall back to what you practice.

    Now I know what to look for i have not missed since...it was frustrating, that year I had shoot more than the pervious years of my life and could hit anything from 100 to 900 yards. When I missed I was completely pissed!

    Just my experience, it takes a lot to look within and not blame equipment.

    Willys46