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The Basics, Starting Out
Minimum cartridge for 1000 yard elk
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<blockquote data-quote="James Jones" data-source="post: 171711" data-attributes="member: 8843"><p>Their are so many variables to killing any animal at 1000 yds that picking a minimum caliber to do so is silly , it comes down to pullet placement and bullet performance more than anything , shooting a big bull through the lungs with a 160gr Accubond out of a 7mm Rem mag will kill him a hell of alot faster than gut shooting him with a 50 BMG and a FMJ bullet!!</p><p> </p><p>a 800 lb bull calmly grazing at exactly 1000 lazer ranged yds , broad side with wind at less than 5mps , me setup on a good level gound with a nice comfortable shoot mat ? I'd take that shot with a 308 winchester because I know at that range under those conditions I can put a round through his lungs (12"-14") and stay off the shoulder.</p><p> </p><p>up the wind to 10-15 mph , the bull chasing cows or other bulls , having to shoot from an uncomfortable position or a rushed shot I woulden't take that shot with anything less than a big 338 like the Lapua or Edge.</p><p> </p><p>Saying that it takes X amout of energt to kill an elk is another silly statement , if I shoot a bull throught he ribs point blank with a 200gr Cor-Bon load out of my 45 acp its gonna be slow walking and soft music for that bull and thats less than 500 ftlbs of energy , but all 500 lbs will be sucked up by that bulls lungs and that round will make it through one lung and into the other , effectivly expanding the bullet and dumping all that energy , deflating them and with in miniutes he will pass out from lack of oxygen to the brain then die. Shoot that same bull with a 50 BMG and a AP round (12,000-15,000ftlbs !!!) at point blank through the gut and the bull will die yes but likely in many hrs or days.</p><p> </p><p>So lets say that you are a very seasoned shooter at long range and can dope the wind very well making it possible to keep all your shots in a 12" from a semi comfortable prone shooting position then I would say that a 300 win mag would be the minimum caliber , this round with a bullet made to expand yet hold together well like the 180-200gr Accubond will have enough energy to break a shoulder on entry and still make it to the lungs (and thats probably as far as it will go) just in case the bull turns just a little before the bullet gets their and you have to go through the shoulder. I don't think anything less than this would have enough power to break a shoulder and still get to the organs but thats my limited experiance shooting elk with a gun (killed one and witnessed three) the longest shot I personaly saw on an elk was at 630-640 ranged yds , the gun was a 30-06 Ackley shooting a 180gr Nosler partition just at 3000 fps , the bullet broke the should going in passed through both lungs and came to rest against the second to last rib on the off side , the bull walked maybe 40yds before piling up</p><p> </p><p>Now if I were gonna make a habit of hunting elk at 1000yds then I would look at having a realy big 338 built like the 338 Allen or 338 Snipe-tac that way you have enough power to go through him long ways if you have to.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="James Jones, post: 171711, member: 8843"] Their are so many variables to killing any animal at 1000 yds that picking a minimum caliber to do so is silly , it comes down to pullet placement and bullet performance more than anything , shooting a big bull through the lungs with a 160gr Accubond out of a 7mm Rem mag will kill him a hell of alot faster than gut shooting him with a 50 BMG and a FMJ bullet!! a 800 lb bull calmly grazing at exactly 1000 lazer ranged yds , broad side with wind at less than 5mps , me setup on a good level gound with a nice comfortable shoot mat ? I'd take that shot with a 308 winchester because I know at that range under those conditions I can put a round through his lungs (12"-14") and stay off the shoulder. up the wind to 10-15 mph , the bull chasing cows or other bulls , having to shoot from an uncomfortable position or a rushed shot I woulden't take that shot with anything less than a big 338 like the Lapua or Edge. Saying that it takes X amout of energt to kill an elk is another silly statement , if I shoot a bull throught he ribs point blank with a 200gr Cor-Bon load out of my 45 acp its gonna be slow walking and soft music for that bull and thats less than 500 ftlbs of energy , but all 500 lbs will be sucked up by that bulls lungs and that round will make it through one lung and into the other , effectivly expanding the bullet and dumping all that energy , deflating them and with in miniutes he will pass out from lack of oxygen to the brain then die. Shoot that same bull with a 50 BMG and a AP round (12,000-15,000ftlbs !!!) at point blank through the gut and the bull will die yes but likely in many hrs or days. So lets say that you are a very seasoned shooter at long range and can dope the wind very well making it possible to keep all your shots in a 12" from a semi comfortable prone shooting position then I would say that a 300 win mag would be the minimum caliber , this round with a bullet made to expand yet hold together well like the 180-200gr Accubond will have enough energy to break a shoulder on entry and still make it to the lungs (and thats probably as far as it will go) just in case the bull turns just a little before the bullet gets their and you have to go through the shoulder. I don't think anything less than this would have enough power to break a shoulder and still get to the organs but thats my limited experiance shooting elk with a gun (killed one and witnessed three) the longest shot I personaly saw on an elk was at 630-640 ranged yds , the gun was a 30-06 Ackley shooting a 180gr Nosler partition just at 3000 fps , the bullet broke the should going in passed through both lungs and came to rest against the second to last rib on the off side , the bull walked maybe 40yds before piling up Now if I were gonna make a habit of hunting elk at 1000yds then I would look at having a realy big 338 built like the 338 Allen or 338 Snipe-tac that way you have enough power to go through him long ways if you have to. [/QUOTE]
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