Mil dot or Tmr? M1 or Target?

Discussion in 'Long Range Scopes and Other Optics' started by ovastafford, Apr 24, 2010.

  1. ovastafford

    ovastafford Well-Known Member

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    Im sending leupold in a vx3 4.5x14x40 scope Iv had for awhile having them change out the fine duplex reticle for either the mil dot or tmr reticle. Which one do you think is better for long range hunting?

    Im also having them switch out the elevation turret for either an m1 or the target turret. Which one do you think is better for hunting situations?

    Finally, if I dial my range on the elevation turret can I hold for windage with the reticle. I mean are the measurments beteen the mil dots or hash marks moa or mils. Im wanting to do the same thing as the Huskemaw/ Grey Bull Scopes?

    Thanks
     
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  2. trebark

    trebark Well-Known Member

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    Go with the TMR and the M1 turrets. That's what I did....

    http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f53/my-280-updated-32771/

    Read the entire post, the optics on the rifle changed a couple of times. The final optic set up is a VX3 4.5-14x40 with TMR reticle and M1 knobs (not sure if I posted a pic of the VX3)

    The TMR is nice because the cross hairs don't actually intersect at the center. This means tiny targets at long range are not covered up by the crosshairs. FYI...TMR=Tactical Milling Reticle - so it's in mils not MOA.

    In terms of the knobs, I like the M1 because then you don't have a cover that you can lose or fumble with to remove in order to get a quick shot off.

    Also, have a 308 with a Leupold MK4. it came from the factory with the TMR and M1. Love it!

    http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f53/my-308-1k-rifle-evolution-continues-43510/
     

  3. ovastafford

    ovastafford Well-Known Member

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    Cool that's kinda what I was thinking thanks
     
  4. Loner

    Loner Well-Known Member

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    Life is a lot easier if you go mil mil or moa moa. In other words match the turrets
    to the reticle.
     
  5. ovastafford

    ovastafford Well-Known Member

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    That's kinda what I was thinking. Does leupold offer a moa reticle?
     
  6. Loner

    Loner Well-Known Member

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    That is a very good question, as is do they offer mil turrets?
     
  7. cal74

    cal74 Well-Known Member

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    You could also consider a CDS turret, available with our without zero stop.

    Functionally the same as the M1, but not a whole lot bigger than the factory standard turret.
     
  8. joseph

    joseph Well-Known Member

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    I don't know if Leupold will put this retical in your scope. Nightforce's NP-R1 retical is being copied or similar ones by other companies. Many long range shooters like this type over the mil-dot. The TMR should be a good one.

    RETICLES OVERVIEW

    joseph
     
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  9. trebark

    trebark Well-Known Member

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    It's maddening that Leupold does not produce an MOA reticle! As far as I know, there are two companies that offer MOA reticles and that is NightForce and Vortex.

    Shortly I'll be selling my MK4 and going with the NightForce and NPR1 reticle.

    At one time though, I think Leupold offered an MOA reticle in a spotting scope.
     
  10. Loner

    Loner Well-Known Member

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    Don't leave out the first and foremost company that frequently is the leader in all
    this stuff, US Optics. I would guess that Premier and S&B also offer them.
     
  11. joseph

    joseph Well-Known Member

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    Take a close look at the Vortex Viper PST scopes. They come in MOA & MIL. Also you can get them in FFP + SFP. The turrets are the same as the reticals.

    Vortex 6-24x50 Viper PST 30mm Rifle Scope

    joseph

    PS: A lot of guys rate them better that Leupold. I have read that the PST glass is the same as the HD. If it is the glass is better than Knight Force from what I have read.

    joseph
     
  12. ovastafford

    ovastafford Well-Known Member

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    I will next time I buy a scope but I just want to modify the one I already have. Thanks
     
  13. Jon A

    Jon A Well-Known Member

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    I would go for the TMR, it's very nice. I like 1/2 mil marks and lines better than dots.

    The knobs that would go best with them are the new M5 knobs, which are .1 mil and will match the reticle. Unfortunately I think it will be quite some time before Leupold will retrofit them into existing scopes; for now the way to get them is on a new scope (trade or sell yours).
     
  14. ovastafford

    ovastafford Well-Known Member

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    I ended up sending it off and getting the tmr reticle. I have shooter ballistic program on my phone and it will do the elevation in moa and the windage in mil. Thanks for all the suggestions.