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<blockquote data-quote="diriel" data-source="post: 729403" data-attributes="member: 26983"><p>I happen to like savage way more than remington. I think on average you will more often get a nicely accurate Out of The Box Savage. If you need to reach out to 800 yards and maintain MOA accuracy, then you really need to consider a custom built rifle to guarantee that level of accuracy can be met. </p><p></p><p>That all being said, remington is one of the most widely smithed actions out there, and they might be a bit easier to get a hold of as a donar action for a build. Certainly either one will work, as will Winchester / FN which is very good these days too. </p><p></p><p>For what you need and want sir, I honestly believe a custom or semi custom will serve your needs better. Buy once Cry Once. That 110BA is so expensive out of the box that you are pushing up into borderline custom area. The deal is simple, very rarely will an Out of The Box anything come anywhere near to shooting as good as a hand built rifle will, and the custom built one will fit you better which will help accuracy and comfort. </p><p></p><p>I have a friend who has pins in his shoulder, a 243 for him is painful but not completely deal breaking. I think you might be in worse shape, so stacking every odd in your favor is needed in my opinion. I think a lot of the gents missed some of your needs and that you will Not be Humping It In and Out. </p><p></p><p>At this point I need to urge you to consider that 7 mag. The 160gr class of bullets will certainly get it done with room to spare, and it will recoil a bit less.</p><p></p><p>----- Gun Build ----- </p><p></p><p> *-- Rifle Stock = extremely important given your situation. Manners MCS-GAT, which is a very nice thumbhole design. It is listed as a tactical stock, but do not let that scare you off. Tac shooters demand way above average ergonomics. Make sure who ever builds this rifle for you properly measures you and fits the stock to you. Trust me it makes a difference. Ask for 4.5 to 5 lbs. "Sniper Fill" they _Should_ understand. It is about weapon recoil characteristics and balance of weapon. You want 5 lbs if you go with the 26" #7 rifle barrel, and around 4.5 lbs if you go with something like a medium palma contour barrel. </p><p></p><p>*-- Recoil Pad = Pachmyer Decelerator is about as good as it gets, and is default on Manners Stocks. </p><p></p><p>*-- Bi-Pod = Harris Series S Bipod Model LM 913. Overall this is rock solid. You want the notched version and the Swivel. Some folks don't like the swivel, but if you shoot prone In The Real World, you need to be able to easily cant the rifle to level. You want an aftermarket Gun Stock that is strong enough to not flex in the fore end! McMillan and Manners are the 2 that I most highly recommend. If you do not plan on shooting prone much then you do not need this, so disregard it. </p><p></p><p>*-- The sling = <a href="http://www.tacticalintervention.com/" target="_blank">Rifle Slings - Tactical Intervention Specialists Sniper Rifle</a> I am not kidding when I say this guy makes top notch slings. They are as comfortable as you will find. They are well made, and they are all business. </p><p></p><p>*-- Barrel = 26" before Muzzle Brake & about 27.5" or there about after Brake depending. You want a #7 contour or equivalent, possibly a Medium Palma. The reason here is because they are so extremely well "understood" in how they affect accuracy and balance of weapon. There is no magic, just something that has been done millions of times the world over and is well tuned and understood. You Want The Weight! Weight is good... </p><p></p><p>*-- Muzzle Brake = So many great brakes out there... the Badger FTE is known to be very good. There are people on this site that make brakes as well and they are quite good as well. The 7 mag will benefit very well indeed from a brake. </p><p></p><p>*-- Rifle Action = Pick one, but talk to your gun smith about his preferences. Remington might be overall best partly because if you want detachable magazines then just about every option on planet earth is made for Remington. The AI / AW mag's tend to be one of the most common. These mags are considered by most to be generally about as good as it gets. I am not saying you need a detachable mag. For me, they are just something else to go wrong. Still they can be kind of nice. </p><p></p><p>You want this thing to end up about 16lbs before scope, very similar to what the 110BA weighs, yes they did their homework weight wise. Weight will help tame recoil. </p><p></p><p>In summary, the reason to go with a custom built rifle is that you *WILL* get the accuracy you need, and the weapon will be as comfortable as possible to shoot for you </p><p></p><p>Gary</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="diriel, post: 729403, member: 26983"] I happen to like savage way more than remington. I think on average you will more often get a nicely accurate Out of The Box Savage. If you need to reach out to 800 yards and maintain MOA accuracy, then you really need to consider a custom built rifle to guarantee that level of accuracy can be met. That all being said, remington is one of the most widely smithed actions out there, and they might be a bit easier to get a hold of as a donar action for a build. Certainly either one will work, as will Winchester / FN which is very good these days too. For what you need and want sir, I honestly believe a custom or semi custom will serve your needs better. Buy once Cry Once. That 110BA is so expensive out of the box that you are pushing up into borderline custom area. The deal is simple, very rarely will an Out of The Box anything come anywhere near to shooting as good as a hand built rifle will, and the custom built one will fit you better which will help accuracy and comfort. I have a friend who has pins in his shoulder, a 243 for him is painful but not completely deal breaking. I think you might be in worse shape, so stacking every odd in your favor is needed in my opinion. I think a lot of the gents missed some of your needs and that you will Not be Humping It In and Out. At this point I need to urge you to consider that 7 mag. The 160gr class of bullets will certainly get it done with room to spare, and it will recoil a bit less. ----- Gun Build ----- *-- Rifle Stock = extremely important given your situation. Manners MCS-GAT, which is a very nice thumbhole design. It is listed as a tactical stock, but do not let that scare you off. Tac shooters demand way above average ergonomics. Make sure who ever builds this rifle for you properly measures you and fits the stock to you. Trust me it makes a difference. Ask for 4.5 to 5 lbs. "Sniper Fill" they _Should_ understand. It is about weapon recoil characteristics and balance of weapon. You want 5 lbs if you go with the 26" #7 rifle barrel, and around 4.5 lbs if you go with something like a medium palma contour barrel. *-- Recoil Pad = Pachmyer Decelerator is about as good as it gets, and is default on Manners Stocks. *-- Bi-Pod = Harris Series S Bipod Model LM 913. Overall this is rock solid. You want the notched version and the Swivel. Some folks don't like the swivel, but if you shoot prone In The Real World, you need to be able to easily cant the rifle to level. You want an aftermarket Gun Stock that is strong enough to not flex in the fore end! McMillan and Manners are the 2 that I most highly recommend. If you do not plan on shooting prone much then you do not need this, so disregard it. *-- The sling = [URL="http://www.tacticalintervention.com/"]Rifle Slings - Tactical Intervention Specialists Sniper Rifle[/URL] I am not kidding when I say this guy makes top notch slings. They are as comfortable as you will find. They are well made, and they are all business. *-- Barrel = 26" before Muzzle Brake & about 27.5" or there about after Brake depending. You want a #7 contour or equivalent, possibly a Medium Palma. The reason here is because they are so extremely well "understood" in how they affect accuracy and balance of weapon. There is no magic, just something that has been done millions of times the world over and is well tuned and understood. You Want The Weight! Weight is good... *-- Muzzle Brake = So many great brakes out there... the Badger FTE is known to be very good. There are people on this site that make brakes as well and they are quite good as well. The 7 mag will benefit very well indeed from a brake. *-- Rifle Action = Pick one, but talk to your gun smith about his preferences. Remington might be overall best partly because if you want detachable magazines then just about every option on planet earth is made for Remington. The AI / AW mag's tend to be one of the most common. These mags are considered by most to be generally about as good as it gets. I am not saying you need a detachable mag. For me, they are just something else to go wrong. Still they can be kind of nice. You want this thing to end up about 16lbs before scope, very similar to what the 110BA weighs, yes they did their homework weight wise. Weight will help tame recoil. In summary, the reason to go with a custom built rifle is that you *WILL* get the accuracy you need, and the weapon will be as comfortable as possible to shoot for you Gary [/QUOTE]
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