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<blockquote data-quote="LouBoyd" data-source="post: 169562" data-attributes="member: 9253"><p><strong>Cheap long range scope</strong></p><p></p><p>So what makes a "long range" scope suitable for long range? </p><p></p><p>Here's my opinion:</p><p>1. Long range hunting rifles typically have high recoil so a long range scope needs good eye relief.</p><p></p><p>2. long range rifles shoot high BC bullets which are typicically heavy</p><p>and therefore shot at modest velocity. Since drop is always proportional to</p><p>the square of the time of flight, long range rifles need a lot of vertical adjustment.</p><p>The 223 caliber loudenboomeer which shoots flat to 600 yards is not what I consider a long range rifle.</p><p></p><p>3. Atmospherirc scintillation increases approximately linearly with distance.</p><p>If on a poor day you can resolve about 1/10 moa at 100 yards it will be more like 1 moa at 1000. Long range does not call for high magnificaion OR large aperture. Neither helps once the atmophere becomes the limiting factor. </p><p></p><p>4. When atmosphere is not the limiting factor higher magnifificton may help</p><p> in target identification, such as tell if a particular deer is male or female. It won't help much in shooting it. </p><p></p><p>5. Large field of view is most important for short range shooting at moving targets, but having too much magnifaction will make finding the target in the scope difficult. Increasing eye relief always redues field of few. That's simple optics. </p><p></p><p>My personal favorite long range scope is the Leupold Mk4 M1 16x40. It has a huge 140 moa of vertical adjusment and it's enough magnificaition that it doesn't have any negative affect on accuracy at any distance. I have that on my 7mm STW (30" Hart Rem 700 and 300 Ultra 30" Hart/Rem700. Both shoot great at a mile with 180 and 210 Berger VLD's respectively. The M1 will zero both from 50 to 2000 yards. </p><p></p><p>I have one SuperSniper 16x. Its sort of a poor mans MK1. There are few cases where it would not make any shot that the Leupold Mk 1 could for about 1/3 the price. If it has a downside the retical is heavier than the leupold's mil dot. It gives me the impression that it's made by the same manufacture who made the 10x40 Baush & Lomb Mil-dot 4000 scope in the 1980's. That was an expensive scope and as good as any that existed before Leopold got active in the military market. I have a couple of B&L too. The advantage of a 10x40 over a 16x40 is target acquistion time since they have over twice the area of field of view and a noticably brighter image, and they don't give up much practical accuracy if you have good eyesight. </p><p></p><p>For those really hard pressed for cash I'd recommend the Bushnell 10x40 mil dot 3200. Its a ligher and more compact scope than B&L 4000 or the 16x40's but I think it's made by the same company that made the B&L and the Super Snipers. At least the machining and design look very similar. The Japanese are better both optically and mechanically than other Asian counties and even some US companies in my opinion.. The best things about the Bushnell 3200 10x40 is it only costs $175 on ebay and it has about 90 moa of vertical adjustment. That's huge for a 1" tube. It's downside is that it has about 1/2" less eye relief than the somewhat larger Super Sniper and Leupold. It also doesn't have a parallax adjustment. That's not necessarily bad for hunting.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LouBoyd, post: 169562, member: 9253"] [b]Cheap long range scope[/b] So what makes a "long range" scope suitable for long range? Here's my opinion: 1. Long range hunting rifles typically have high recoil so a long range scope needs good eye relief. 2. long range rifles shoot high BC bullets which are typicically heavy and therefore shot at modest velocity. Since drop is always proportional to the square of the time of flight, long range rifles need a lot of vertical adjustment. The 223 caliber loudenboomeer which shoots flat to 600 yards is not what I consider a long range rifle. 3. Atmospherirc scintillation increases approximately linearly with distance. If on a poor day you can resolve about 1/10 moa at 100 yards it will be more like 1 moa at 1000. Long range does not call for high magnificaion OR large aperture. Neither helps once the atmophere becomes the limiting factor. 4. When atmosphere is not the limiting factor higher magnifificton may help in target identification, such as tell if a particular deer is male or female. It won't help much in shooting it. 5. Large field of view is most important for short range shooting at moving targets, but having too much magnifaction will make finding the target in the scope difficult. Increasing eye relief always redues field of few. That's simple optics. My personal favorite long range scope is the Leupold Mk4 M1 16x40. It has a huge 140 moa of vertical adjusment and it's enough magnificaition that it doesn't have any negative affect on accuracy at any distance. I have that on my 7mm STW (30" Hart Rem 700 and 300 Ultra 30" Hart/Rem700. Both shoot great at a mile with 180 and 210 Berger VLD's respectively. The M1 will zero both from 50 to 2000 yards. I have one SuperSniper 16x. Its sort of a poor mans MK1. There are few cases where it would not make any shot that the Leupold Mk 1 could for about 1/3 the price. If it has a downside the retical is heavier than the leupold's mil dot. It gives me the impression that it's made by the same manufacture who made the 10x40 Baush & Lomb Mil-dot 4000 scope in the 1980's. That was an expensive scope and as good as any that existed before Leopold got active in the military market. I have a couple of B&L too. The advantage of a 10x40 over a 16x40 is target acquistion time since they have over twice the area of field of view and a noticably brighter image, and they don't give up much practical accuracy if you have good eyesight. For those really hard pressed for cash I'd recommend the Bushnell 10x40 mil dot 3200. Its a ligher and more compact scope than B&L 4000 or the 16x40's but I think it's made by the same company that made the B&L and the Super Snipers. At least the machining and design look very similar. The Japanese are better both optically and mechanically than other Asian counties and even some US companies in my opinion.. The best things about the Bushnell 3200 10x40 is it only costs $175 on ebay and it has about 90 moa of vertical adjustment. That's huge for a 1" tube. It's downside is that it has about 1/2" less eye relief than the somewhat larger Super Sniper and Leupold. It also doesn't have a parallax adjustment. That's not necessarily bad for hunting. [/QUOTE]
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