Long-Range Hunting

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by Hudge, Jan 9, 2011.

  1. Hudge

    Hudge Member

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    Just this week I shot a .223 out to 500 yards, and I was surprised that I was within about 5 or 6 inches at 500 yards. This was my first time shooting at long-range, so I'm just curious if there are folks out there with enough experience to be comfortable shooting deer-sized game beyond 500 yards. I wouldn't take a shot without knowing I could kill an animal quickly, so I'm just curious if that's really possible at long distances.

    I'm not really looking for the answer, "shoot only as far as you're comfortable". I certainly understand that. I've seen guys on youtube shooting out to 1000 yards, and I've always thought they just don't publish the videos showing the wounded animals. Based on my accuracy at 500 yards on my first attempt, though, I think it may be possible to shoot at greater distance with pretty amazing accuracy. I know the .223 isn't the round for that, but with a .260, are long-range shots pretty certain, assuming its fired by someone with skill?

    Like I said, I'm new to the long-range shooting thing, and I was hoping the forum's membership could give me a little guidance.

    Thanks in advance for your help.
     
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  2. geargrinder

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    Re: Ethics of Long-Range Hunting

    As a rule we don't discuss the ethics.

    Your ethics are different than mine and that doesn't make either of us wrong.

    Here is my simple definition. I shoot as far as I am capable.
     

  3. BlackSS

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    Re: Ethics of Long-Range Hunting

    Comfortable taking a deer out to 500 yards?
    Sure.
    Comfortable doing it with a 223?
    No way.

    You have to be confident in your ability to take the shot and place the bullet where you want it to go. Not only is the distance involved important but also the environmental conditions; wind, elevation differences, etc....

    You also have to know what kind of damage your round will inflict at the given range as well.
    You probably should not attempt to take a deer at 500 yards with any 223 rem regardless of it's accuracy and your confidence to place the shot where you want. If you are shooting a round that is "fit for purpose" it is up to the shooter.

    Taking a shot at an animal at 500 yards if you have not shot your rifle in differing conditions at that range is not a recipe for success (cleaning putting the animal down).

    Animals get wounded and lost at 100 yards, just it happens at 1000 yards, if the shooter is responsible those situations can be minimized.
     
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  5. Booney

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    Re: Ethics of Long-Range Hunting

    I dont have my Ipod with me but i believe my edge has more energy at 1000 yards than a 223 does at a 100.
     
  6. Hudge

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    Re: Ethics of Long-Range Hunting

    To clarify, I am not talking about my .223 as a 1000 yard gun, much less a 1000 yard deer gun. I know it's not. I'm talking about a .260. Thanks to all who have responded - I appreciate your thoughts.
     
  7. sp6x6

    sp6x6 Well-Known Member

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    Re: Ethics of Long-Range Hunting

    There is a pretty recent post same as this, try a search. This forum has a Rule type section, and this is a Not discussed item, just trying to get you up to speed. Follow posts and you will see many here have the equip. and know how to LRH effectively
     
  8. Booney

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    Re: Ethics of Long-Range Hunting

    I understand that you do not think a 223 is a 1000 yard gun, but how many people would shoot a deer at a hundred yard with a 223. When the are guns out there that have more energy at a 1000 than your 223 does at 100. The sad fact is there are people out there that know they cant shoot at a 1000 yards so they just think that others cant do it they cant see past there own limitation. I'm not saying that is what is happening here but I have had this talk before and that does happen.
     
  9. Hudge

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    Re: Ethics of Long-Range Hunting

    I am never hunting deer with a .223 - at any range. I have only ever used a 30-06 or a .270. I am not asking about shooting a deer at any range with a .223. My point was only that I shot a gun with what I would say is manageable accuracy at 500 yards. I didn't know how possible that was, since I'm new to this long-range thing. I was wondering if there are people capable of making shots on animals at 1000 yards. Not with a .223, but with a gun that has enough energy to kill at distance.

    Also, I just read the ethics rule. My mistake. Let me adjust the question to simply ask if members are really able to control their fire enough to be confident in hitting a game animal at 1000 yards.

    Again, I'm know a .223 is not a deer caliber, at any range. My question is only about how far members are confident in their ability to engage animals.
     
  10. BlackSS

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    Re: Ethics of Long-Range Hunting

    The answer is yes, to 1000 yds and beyond.
    Not me, but there are multiple people here.
     
  11. Hudge

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    Re: Ethics of Long-Range Hunting

    Thanks BlackSS - that's exactly what I'm asking.
     
  12. Michael Eichele

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    Re: Ethics of Long-Range Hunting

    Len (owner of this site) is dead set against not bringing up ethics. Always has been and always will be.

    That said, long range hunting has less to do with ethics and more to do with responsibility.

    Responsible actions mean doing things within your personal limits. This does not always apply to just shooting. It could be staying out of country which is too rugged for your abilities so that you dont have to be rescued or out of weather for which you dont have the proper gear.

    I hate to admit that I have had wounded losses. Most hunters if they have been hunting long enough and often enough have had wounded losses. Sometimes crap happens. It happens at 20 yards and it happens at 800 yards. For the record, all of my wounded losses were at less than 200 yards. Never at long range.

    My theory on why is because for a long range shot to happen, variables have to be acceptable, you have time to set up, get steady and have much more control over the situation than stumbling through the brush, jumping the game and trying to shoot a fleeing or otherwise startled critter. You actually have time to think things through and execute smoothly and skillfully.

    With modern gun smithing techniques for pure accuracy, ultra consistent scopes, bullet proof mounting systems, pocket weather stations, field ballistic calculators, reliable and accurate range finders, high BC bullets for minimal wind drift and so many more tools, making clean kills at 600+ yards is easier than 100 yard off hand jump shot. Sometimes those shots present themselves and it is a good idea to practice those shots as well but for the most part, guys like us park ourselves on a vantage and glass. Once we find what we are looking for, we either figure out how to get closer if out of our responsible shooting range or we set up for the shot then and there. A persons responsible range will vary from person to person and their abilities and equipment. It also will depend on the varibles during the hunt. No one can tell you what your responsible range is and no one should tell me either. That is determined by a given indavidual. For some it will be 300 yards and others it will be 1300 yards or more.

    To answer your question, sure there are losses you dont hear about. Keep in mind from everything I have seen or experienced, wounded losses happen less at long range than short range. Those who dont hunt long range cant believe it and those who do cannot explain it. You just need to get out there and try it for yourself.

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  13. roninflag

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    HUDGE- with your .260 ( 30-06, 270) if it has a heavy krieger barrel ( or equivalent) of 26 inches or more; good ammo and sights; you will be surprized how far you can accurately shoot. the long range champion used this cartridge at camp perry. targets only show a capability. i shoot in matches all the time of 500 and 600 yards . because that is what is available to me. i am comfortable to those ranges. i have shot 1000 yards it is a LOT harder. have fun . and welcome.
     
  14. SBruce

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    Hudge,

    Yes, beyond 500 yds, out to 1000 yds (and further) game kill are entirely possible with the right equipment and trigger time. By trigger time I mean practice, and an intimate relationship between the shooter and his/her rifle.

    As Michael said, with todays' gunsmithing and equipment/technology; it is quite a bit more possible than it was even just 10-15 years ago.

    Group size at any given distance is only part of the equation though. It takes a good understanding of wind and it's effects on the bullets flight. It takes the patience to wait for the perfect shot opportunity. It takes an accurate method of range measurement (at beyond 500 yds, we can't misjudge the distance by 25 yds and still consistently hit exactly where we wanted to......ballistically impossible). It takes self control to know your own limits (based on your practice time). It takes high quality weapons with high quality sights, most use high power precision scopes. It takes good shooting form and high quality consistent ammo.

    It also generally takes a fair amount of $$'s and time. $$'s to get the necessary equipment (quality isn't cheap) and alot of time to ensure we are using that equipment to the best of our abilities and fully trust it's capabilities.

    If it's something you think you're interested in, then this site has alot of good information up for grabs. Most of the serious members are pretty helpful too. Just like anywhere, you'll find some smartass jokers though, so just ignore them.
     
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