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<blockquote data-quote="ceg1963" data-source="post: 72246" data-attributes="member: 4159"><p>Dimecovers3,</p><p></p><p>I agree with most of your reply. Like you, I too believe that in your face contact with the most magestic animal on earth is the ultimate test of one's hunting ability. That's why I wrote in an earlier post that I like working the brush the best.</p><p></p><p> [ QUOTE ]</p><p>Alaska is a mixed bag for sure. I like working the bush better than most, guess I'm nuts, but want the equipment available in case the opportunity presents itself at distance. All the while keeping the weapon reasonable enough for close in stuff too.</p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ]</p><p></p><p>Having wrote that, I will not sit on a stump and wait for a long shot. But if a longer shot presents itself, why limit the final success/outcome. Most would agree that it is expensive to hunt in areas where dangerous game reside. I think that there is nothing wrong with making the best out of your hard work and the dollars spent.</p><p></p><p> [ QUOTE ]</p><p>I thinks it's remarkable when man and equipment can come together and take down an Elk with one shot at 1000 yards or a varmint at twice the range, but this is God's greatest predator (above us on the food chain) and I'd say that earns him a little more of a handicap on our part in this game. </p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ] </p><p></p><p>I agree with the first part of your statement. But, I personally feel that the griz or brownie in its territory, while on his turf... has a pretty darn good handicap already! Ask the many folks bitten if they need anymore help! </p><p></p><p>No, the game laws protect them as a species just fine. Given the way I will hunt them... on foot, off the beaten path... not on a boat... they already will have the edge. If I catch them in the open, possibly more vunerable... so be it. If they catch me short... well you probably know the outcome! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif</p><p></p><p>I think any shot at legally acquired game... is an ethical shot... if made to the highest degree of accuracy and required spent energy on target. </p><p></p><p>IMHO I can not separate game species as you have done so easily. The magestic elk you spoke of, shot at 1000 yards is just as much one God's creature as is the bear. And rightfully deserves the same respect in the harvest. As much as you are one of God's creatures so is the lowly prairie dog! All of God's creatures need the same degree of respect.</p><p></p><p>I just recently returned from Iraq with a pretty severe head wound. I was shot in Mosul by an Iraqi terrorist armed with a Soviet Draganov, 7.62mm X 54mm Sniper Rifle. Given the nature and angle of my wound, and that I am still able to type this thread, he took me at well over 600 yards. We call it, a "spray and prey" lucky shot in this case. As a sniper I hold no ill regard for the man. However, my team killed him and his buddy the next day. He must have shot at me, and my team over 20 different occassions. He did unfortunately hit two of my NCO's just days before me getting it. Like in the bush, in the killing fields of the middle east, it's nothing personal... just business. If I had caught him in the open at long range, and if I had been properly equipped, I would have taken him earlier. If I had caught him at 5 feet, I still would have taken him... maybe with my 9mm (just to handicap myself, right?). Sorry about that shot. My only regret is that all I had for any serious long range counter-sniper work was a captured 30 year (+) old FN FAL (basicly a Belgium made Semi-Auto .308) with no scope. </p><p></p><p>As God's ultimate predater, I give no quater, and ask none in return. I believe the bear feels the same way. Just ask that bear friendly "photographer" fellow (rest his soul) who thought that the bear was his buddy. The bear didn't, and ate both him and his girl. The culprit bear was never killed I believe. </p><p></p><p>Sorry for the digression, but I just wanted to drive home the point that all creatures are equally respected by me. </p><p></p><p>Yes, I agree that the range tends to take the steam out of the confrontation. Some would argue that I am lucky for that very reason. Unlike the Iraqi shooter, I don't miss when I decide to pull the trigger at any reasonable range, no matter the target.</p><p></p><p>My point was, and still is, that if given the opportunity at taking one of God's magestic bears, or other dangerous game for that matter, at longer ranges, what epuipment best fits the bill?</p><p></p><p>Dimecovers3, as far as anti-hunters are concerned, I've discovered that they don't and or won't understand, no matter the equipment or technique(s) used. Fortunately, they don't get close enough to me to discuss the issues involved, thanks to God.</p><p></p><p>Any input from an experienced shooter would be greatly appreciated.</p><p></p><p>v/r</p><p></p><p>CG</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ceg1963, post: 72246, member: 4159"] Dimecovers3, I agree with most of your reply. Like you, I too believe that in your face contact with the most magestic animal on earth is the ultimate test of one's hunting ability. That's why I wrote in an earlier post that I like working the brush the best. [ QUOTE ] Alaska is a mixed bag for sure. I like working the bush better than most, guess I'm nuts, but want the equipment available in case the opportunity presents itself at distance. All the while keeping the weapon reasonable enough for close in stuff too. [/ QUOTE ] Having wrote that, I will not sit on a stump and wait for a long shot. But if a longer shot presents itself, why limit the final success/outcome. Most would agree that it is expensive to hunt in areas where dangerous game reside. I think that there is nothing wrong with making the best out of your hard work and the dollars spent. [ QUOTE ] I thinks it's remarkable when man and equipment can come together and take down an Elk with one shot at 1000 yards or a varmint at twice the range, but this is God's greatest predator (above us on the food chain) and I'd say that earns him a little more of a handicap on our part in this game. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with the first part of your statement. But, I personally feel that the griz or brownie in its territory, while on his turf... has a pretty darn good handicap already! Ask the many folks bitten if they need anymore help! No, the game laws protect them as a species just fine. Given the way I will hunt them... on foot, off the beaten path... not on a boat... they already will have the edge. If I catch them in the open, possibly more vunerable... so be it. If they catch me short... well you probably know the outcome! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I think any shot at legally acquired game... is an ethical shot... if made to the highest degree of accuracy and required spent energy on target. IMHO I can not separate game species as you have done so easily. The magestic elk you spoke of, shot at 1000 yards is just as much one God's creature as is the bear. And rightfully deserves the same respect in the harvest. As much as you are one of God's creatures so is the lowly prairie dog! All of God's creatures need the same degree of respect. I just recently returned from Iraq with a pretty severe head wound. I was shot in Mosul by an Iraqi terrorist armed with a Soviet Draganov, 7.62mm X 54mm Sniper Rifle. Given the nature and angle of my wound, and that I am still able to type this thread, he took me at well over 600 yards. We call it, a "spray and prey" lucky shot in this case. As a sniper I hold no ill regard for the man. However, my team killed him and his buddy the next day. He must have shot at me, and my team over 20 different occassions. He did unfortunately hit two of my NCO's just days before me getting it. Like in the bush, in the killing fields of the middle east, it's nothing personal... just business. If I had caught him in the open at long range, and if I had been properly equipped, I would have taken him earlier. If I had caught him at 5 feet, I still would have taken him... maybe with my 9mm (just to handicap myself, right?). Sorry about that shot. My only regret is that all I had for any serious long range counter-sniper work was a captured 30 year (+) old FN FAL (basicly a Belgium made Semi-Auto .308) with no scope. As God's ultimate predater, I give no quater, and ask none in return. I believe the bear feels the same way. Just ask that bear friendly "photographer" fellow (rest his soul) who thought that the bear was his buddy. The bear didn't, and ate both him and his girl. The culprit bear was never killed I believe. Sorry for the digression, but I just wanted to drive home the point that all creatures are equally respected by me. Yes, I agree that the range tends to take the steam out of the confrontation. Some would argue that I am lucky for that very reason. Unlike the Iraqi shooter, I don't miss when I decide to pull the trigger at any reasonable range, no matter the target. My point was, and still is, that if given the opportunity at taking one of God's magestic bears, or other dangerous game for that matter, at longer ranges, what epuipment best fits the bill? Dimecovers3, as far as anti-hunters are concerned, I've discovered that they don't and or won't understand, no matter the equipment or technique(s) used. Fortunately, they don't get close enough to me to discuss the issues involved, thanks to God. Any input from an experienced shooter would be greatly appreciated. v/r CG [/QUOTE]
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