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<blockquote data-quote="jmden" data-source="post: 352613" data-attributes="member: 1742">&quot;Remember... it was the church that persecuted people for believing that Earth wasn&#039;t the center of the universe...&nbsp;They used to think the world was flat&nbsp;Many still don&#039;t believe in the whole Pre-historic earth period. &quot;&nbsp;Unfortunately and still today, when many refer to &#039;the church&#039;, they mean the Roman Catholic church. It was the Roman Catholic church that persecuted as you state above. The humans in the Roman Catholic church and the Catholic church itself are not the standard...the bible is... Christ is. No where in the bible does it say that the earth is the center of the universe.&nbsp;<a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/Docs/399.asp" target="_blank">Astronomy And The Bible</a> talks about flat earth as well. These concepts are NOT derived from clear biblical teaching.&nbsp;Some verses talking about the earth...&nbsp;1 Chronicles 16:30: &quot;He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.&quot; &nbsp;Psalm 93:1: &quot;Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...&quot; &nbsp;Psalm 96:10: &quot;He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...&quot; &nbsp;Psalm 104:5: &quot;Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.&quot; &nbsp;Isaiah 45:18: &quot;...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...&quot; &nbsp;Do these say that the earth is the center of the universe. No.&nbsp;As mentioned earlier, the catholic church clearly does not follow very clear and important scriptures in several areas, putting their teachings on par the bible. &nbsp;Once this kind of thing starts to happen, where does it end? You can start to make the Bible say whatever you want, can you not? &nbsp;We must make sure that we don&#039;t take preconceived ideas to the Bible, but let the Bible speak in its entirety. And on areas we don&#039;t understand?...be patient. Many times throughout history the Bible was said to be wrong about this or that and then new information surfaced showing the Bible to be correct.&nbsp;However, it is interesting to note: &nbsp;<a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/0807tj.asp" target="_blank">Our galaxy--at the center of the universe after all!</a>&nbsp;Not sure what you mean by prehistoric. That typically means the &#039;billions&#039; of years before &#039;modern man&#039; was on scene, correct? I&#039;d like to know what you mean by that an where you are going with it before I attempt a feeble explanation.&nbsp;Edit: Context of the KJV and Jesus? Well, yes, context is always important to try to understand what is going on in a text. That&#039;s fairly self-evident. I guess I&#039;m not sure of your point there.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jmden, post: 352613, member: 1742"] "Remember... it was the church that persecuted people for believing that Earth wasn't the center of the universe... They used to think the world was flat Many still don't believe in the whole Pre-historic earth period. " Unfortunately and still today, when many refer to 'the church', they mean the Roman Catholic church. It was the Roman Catholic church that persecuted as you state above. The humans in the Roman Catholic church and the Catholic church itself are not the standard...the bible is... Christ is. No where in the bible does it say that the earth is the center of the universe. [URL="http://www.answersingenesis.org/Docs/399.asp"]Astronomy And The Bible[/URL] talks about flat earth as well. These concepts are NOT derived from clear biblical teaching. Some verses talking about the earth... 1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable." Psalm 93:1: "Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ..." Psalm 96:10: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ..." Psalm 104:5: "Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken." Isaiah 45:18: "...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast..." Do these say that the earth is the center of the universe. No. As mentioned earlier, the catholic church clearly does not follow very clear and important scriptures in several areas, putting their teachings on par the bible. Once this kind of thing starts to happen, where does it end? You can start to make the Bible say whatever you want, can you not? We must make sure that we don't take preconceived ideas to the Bible, but let the Bible speak in its entirety. And on areas we don't understand?...be patient. Many times throughout history the Bible was said to be wrong about this or that and then new information surfaced showing the Bible to be correct. However, it is interesting to note: [URL="http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/0807tj.asp"]Our galaxy--at the center of the universe after all![/URL] Not sure what you mean by prehistoric. That typically means the 'billions' of years before 'modern man' was on scene, correct? I'd like to know what you mean by that an where you are going with it before I attempt a feeble explanation. Edit: Context of the KJV and Jesus? Well, yes, context is always important to try to understand what is going on in a text. That's fairly self-evident. I guess I'm not sure of your point there. [/QUOTE]

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