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<blockquote data-quote="jmden" data-source="post: 351164" data-attributes="member: 1742"><p>Roaddog,</p><p> </p><p>You certainly didn't offend me and you bring up some interesting points of discussion.</p><p> </p><p>Whether you want to believe it or not, we are all brainwashed, using the kind of logic you used. It's just a matter of what we choose to allow ourselves to be brainwashed by. That, my friend, you do have a choice in. </p><p> </p><p>Aww...the old religion is brainwashing idea. Anything you allow yourself to be involved in or philosophy you adopt is 'brainwashing' in a sense, using the logic you're using. </p><p> </p><p>So, since you aren't 'religious', you aren't brainwashed and so are the 'normal' among us? </p><p> </p><p>Since we are talking about 'religion', what, after all, is a definition of religion? Wikipedia states, "A <strong>religion</strong> is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a supernatural agency or agencies..." Huh... "A <strong>religion</strong> is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe..." </p><p> </p><p>Do you (anyone in general) have any beliefs concering the cause, nature or purpose of the universe? If you believe in evolution as the origin for all things, for instance, then you have a religion by this definition. Certainly if you have studied the natural outflow of philosophies and beliefs that come from a consistent understanding of what evolution means, for instance, then you do. If a person doesn't understand the 'natural outflow of philosophies and beliefs that come from a consistent understanding of what evolution means', then by all means, do some studying of the issue. </p><p> </p><p>If, on the other hand, you say you don't believe anything or that nothing has any purpose, well, that is also a core set of beliefs and is a 'religion' in and of itself. Humanists, in particular, (a philospophy that I would say is quickly 'brainwashing', to use roaddogs thinking, western culture--are you it allowing to 'brainwash' you?) love to say they are against religion and do not have one themsleves, yet they clearly, as a whole, retain a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature or purpose of the universe, do they not? </p><p> </p><p>Do you see what I mean? No one has a choice in this matter. Everyone is 'religious', whether they want to admit it or not. They've just chosen which set of beliefs they will have.</p><p> </p><p>And, yes, it does begin at a young age as we are constantly bombarded with philosophy and belief systems (religion) from the earliest of ages.</p><p> </p><p>People that use this term religion in this way do so to tell you that what they have (really, their religion, if they are willing to open their minds a bit and think about it) is really better. Hmm...is that what you are saying people shouldn't do?</p><p> </p><p>It's not a matter of people being religious because everyone is whether they want to accept that or not. It's a matter of making the right choices to find the one true religion that really is a right relationship with your Creator.</p><p> </p><p>John 14:6 "Jesus answered, 'I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'" THE way, THE truth, THE life. Not one of the ways or one of the truths. A rudimentary study of Jesus' life reveals that either he was a complete nut or he was exactly what he claimed to be...God sent to earth as a man to sacrifice himself for our sins. There is so much factual (since you like that word) evidence to back up exactly what the Bible says and it is no less the case when the issue at hand is determining the status of Jesus, his life, death and resurrection showing his power over death and power to take away our sins and restore us to a right relationship with him. What other 'religion' or belief system that any human has conjured up offers hope like that? None of them.</p><p> </p><p>Again, if we 'pretend' for a moment for arguments sake, that the Satan of the Bible exists, then he won't care what religion you choose as long as you don't choose to have a right relationship with Christ. As long as you don't have a right relationship with Christ, you have a right relationship with Satan in it's place. There really are only two choices here.</p><p> </p><p>BTW, I spend parts of alot of shifts working alongside police officers in various situations as a career firefighter/emt and I have the greatest respect for what you do. Thank you for what you do. Work hard at keeping safe and alert and keeping a decent attitude about the situations you deal with day in and day out. I know I have to. We both put up with alot of junk from the nasty side of peoples life.</p><p> </p><p>Jon</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jmden, post: 351164, member: 1742"] Roaddog, You certainly didn't offend me and you bring up some interesting points of discussion. Whether you want to believe it or not, we are all brainwashed, using the kind of logic you used. It's just a matter of what we choose to allow ourselves to be brainwashed by. That, my friend, you do have a choice in. Aww...the old religion is brainwashing idea. Anything you allow yourself to be involved in or philosophy you adopt is 'brainwashing' in a sense, using the logic you're using. So, since you aren't 'religious', you aren't brainwashed and so are the 'normal' among us? Since we are talking about 'religion', what, after all, is a definition of religion? Wikipedia states, "A [B]religion[/B] is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a supernatural agency or agencies..." Huh... "A [B]religion[/B] is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe..." Do you (anyone in general) have any beliefs concering the cause, nature or purpose of the universe? If you believe in evolution as the origin for all things, for instance, then you have a religion by this definition. Certainly if you have studied the natural outflow of philosophies and beliefs that come from a consistent understanding of what evolution means, for instance, then you do. If a person doesn't understand the 'natural outflow of philosophies and beliefs that come from a consistent understanding of what evolution means', then by all means, do some studying of the issue. If, on the other hand, you say you don't believe anything or that nothing has any purpose, well, that is also a core set of beliefs and is a 'religion' in and of itself. Humanists, in particular, (a philospophy that I would say is quickly 'brainwashing', to use roaddogs thinking, western culture--are you it allowing to 'brainwash' you?) love to say they are against religion and do not have one themsleves, yet they clearly, as a whole, retain a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature or purpose of the universe, do they not? Do you see what I mean? No one has a choice in this matter. Everyone is 'religious', whether they want to admit it or not. They've just chosen which set of beliefs they will have. And, yes, it does begin at a young age as we are constantly bombarded with philosophy and belief systems (religion) from the earliest of ages. People that use this term religion in this way do so to tell you that what they have (really, their religion, if they are willing to open their minds a bit and think about it) is really better. Hmm...is that what you are saying people shouldn't do? It's not a matter of people being religious because everyone is whether they want to accept that or not. It's a matter of making the right choices to find the one true religion that really is a right relationship with your Creator. John 14:6 "Jesus answered, 'I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'" THE way, THE truth, THE life. Not one of the ways or one of the truths. A rudimentary study of Jesus' life reveals that either he was a complete nut or he was exactly what he claimed to be...God sent to earth as a man to sacrifice himself for our sins. There is so much factual (since you like that word) evidence to back up exactly what the Bible says and it is no less the case when the issue at hand is determining the status of Jesus, his life, death and resurrection showing his power over death and power to take away our sins and restore us to a right relationship with him. What other 'religion' or belief system that any human has conjured up offers hope like that? None of them. Again, if we 'pretend' for a moment for arguments sake, that the Satan of the Bible exists, then he won't care what religion you choose as long as you don't choose to have a right relationship with Christ. As long as you don't have a right relationship with Christ, you have a right relationship with Satan in it's place. There really are only two choices here. BTW, I spend parts of alot of shifts working alongside police officers in various situations as a career firefighter/emt and I have the greatest respect for what you do. Thank you for what you do. Work hard at keeping safe and alert and keeping a decent attitude about the situations you deal with day in and day out. I know I have to. We both put up with alot of junk from the nasty side of peoples life. Jon [/QUOTE]
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