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<blockquote data-quote="winmag" data-source="post: 653420" data-attributes="member: 22166"><p>I've seen many positive reports from qualified Elk hunters & long range shooters like bigngreen, & Broz.</p><p>But I've seen just as many horror stories from hunters, & shooters just as qualified.</p><p>IMO there is absolutely no reason to chance it with a fragile VLD at your said range. If you are gonna stretch it waaaaay out there, then by all means use the VLD. You can benefit from less wind drift, & more retained energy & repeatable, low velocity expansion. Plus your target rarely knows your there, so you have time to choose your perfect broadside shot.</p><p>But at a 0-600 ish yard Elk rifle to me means the critter isn't always broadside, it isn't always standing still, it has a lot better chance of knowing your in the area than at "long range" so for me, there's no way on this earth I'm gonna use a bullet that comes apart. I personally think your logic in being hesitant to use the VLD is very sound, & shows your on the right track.</p><p></p><p>VLD's have thier place. They are proven performers in dedicated LR rifles, & have the BC to buck the wind, & retain thier energy at long range.</p><p></p><p>I'm an "oportunist" type spot & stock hunter. I'm not too proud to smoke a bull at 20 yards at a severely quarreling angle, but I like to be able to stretch its legs a bit too. Picking the propper bullet for your hunting style, & intended game is a double edged sword.</p><p>I'm in the camp that will give up some range, & BC for a tougher bonded bullet, because of how I hunt. If I were shooting dedicated LR only, & wanted to squeeze every extra yard out of my rifle id be in the Berger camp.</p><p>Then again, if I were in the ELR game it'd be a big 338, not my 270WSM or my 300WSM. I have self imposed limits on those rifles due to my opinion of using the propper tool for the task at hand with the bullet I choose to use. BC, SD, Energy, Velocity, & my personally imposed "insurance -or- fudge factor". These personal limitations somewhat restrict my range, but I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that when I pull the trigger, my bullet what it takes to get the job done, & more at the ranges I shoot. I don't have bullet failures. Shooter error is the only thing left to blame.</p><p></p><p>There is no right or wrong answer here. It's strictly a personal choice based on personal criteria. You define your criteria, & decide what's acceptable terminal performance for said parameters.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="winmag, post: 653420, member: 22166"] I've seen many positive reports from qualified Elk hunters & long range shooters like bigngreen, & Broz. But I've seen just as many horror stories from hunters, & shooters just as qualified. IMO there is absolutely no reason to chance it with a fragile VLD at your said range. If you are gonna stretch it waaaaay out there, then by all means use the VLD. You can benefit from less wind drift, & more retained energy & repeatable, low velocity expansion. Plus your target rarely knows your there, so you have time to choose your perfect broadside shot. But at a 0-600 ish yard Elk rifle to me means the critter isn't always broadside, it isn't always standing still, it has a lot better chance of knowing your in the area than at "long range" so for me, there's no way on this earth I'm gonna use a bullet that comes apart. I personally think your logic in being hesitant to use the VLD is very sound, & shows your on the right track. VLD's have thier place. They are proven performers in dedicated LR rifles, & have the BC to buck the wind, & retain thier energy at long range. I'm an "oportunist" type spot & stock hunter. I'm not too proud to smoke a bull at 20 yards at a severely quarreling angle, but I like to be able to stretch its legs a bit too. Picking the propper bullet for your hunting style, & intended game is a double edged sword. I'm in the camp that will give up some range, & BC for a tougher bonded bullet, because of how I hunt. If I were shooting dedicated LR only, & wanted to squeeze every extra yard out of my rifle id be in the Berger camp. Then again, if I were in the ELR game it'd be a big 338, not my 270WSM or my 300WSM. I have self imposed limits on those rifles due to my opinion of using the propper tool for the task at hand with the bullet I choose to use. BC, SD, Energy, Velocity, & my personally imposed "insurance -or- fudge factor". These personal limitations somewhat restrict my range, but I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that when I pull the trigger, my bullet what it takes to get the job done, & more at the ranges I shoot. I don't have bullet failures. Shooter error is the only thing left to blame. There is no right or wrong answer here. It's strictly a personal choice based on personal criteria. You define your criteria, & decide what's acceptable terminal performance for said parameters. [/QUOTE]
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