Load Development for the 284 Win XP-100

Discussion in 'Specialty Handgun Hunting' started by Ernie, May 15, 2013.

  1. Ernie

    Ernie SPONSOR

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    This XP was built specifically for hunting. Eric Wallace (Nawakwa Accuracy) built it.
    Developing a load for this was way overdo, but I had time in the middle of the day to shoot.
    It would have been better with no mirage to fight with in early morning or late afternoon. But I have a good idea what it will do in less than ideal.
    All shooting was done off of a bi-pod and small leather field bag. I was shooting at 100 yards.
    I had a really great group with 51.0 grains of H-4350, but I forgot to take a picture. Just one large hole! A blackbird interrupted things...
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  2. bar63

    bar63 Well-Known Member

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    Ernie, That is a great looking XP. Isn't that a Taylor trigger poking out of the bottomside? Great groups! Dan
     
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  3. Ernie

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    Yes it is a Dell trigger.
    Shot it 485 and 704 yesterday.
    Turned in a three shot 1/4 MOA group at 704 yards off a bi-pod.
    Yes, I had good conditions.
     
  4. Buttermilk

    Buttermilk Well-Known Member

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    Ernie, do you have the exact model of that Weaver base? It doesn't look like the Weaver #70.

    I'm needing something similar to your's.

    Nice shooting. I like the gun. Very similar to what I'm wanting my XP to look like.

    What contour is that Krieger? Or at least muzzle diameter?


    Regards,
    Rog
     
  5. Ernie

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    .611 @ the muzzle.

    It is a SSK TSOB base.

     
  6. Buttermilk

    Buttermilk Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Ernie.
     
  7. Ernie

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    I'm pleased with the groups I shot, considering I had bad mirage and I was shooting off of a bi-pod. Spectacular? You are correct, they are not.
    I just missed your scope question.
    I responded to a few posts, but I was out of town on Wednesday and Thursday at a LR shooting school.
    Group shooting at 100 is boring to me, but I like my loads to be in the 1's and .2's when developing loads in good conditions.
    If I can do that off of bi-pod, I am even more happy.
    You may just whip my tail at 100 yards from the benchgun)
    I have been beat before and I will be beat again:D
    It is not a plex reticle.
    It is Holland's all MOA ART Reticle. I had the windage CDS turret added.
    I am glad you got the information you wanted from Leupold.
    They have some good folks there.
    I'm not sure why you seem to have the desire to challenge me or down my equipment. Did I somehow offend you?
    I am not a fan of the Striker, because I do not like their center-grip trigger.
    Not light enough for what I want to do.
    You won't have that problem with the Target action.
    I hope you have a better day.

     
  8. Ernie

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    Barry,
    You are a funny guy:)
    I started out with a 10" 222 Rem and then a Super 14 7 TCU Contender back in the 80's.
    I would share/talk about those barrels, like I do here.
    Of course, this forum wasn't here in those days.
    For years I had one XP-100 (This is after I sold my Contender), and I took time to save for it. First a 7-08, then a 284 Win (Sold the 7-08, so I could build the 284). Used the 284 Win for everything from pd's to elk for a number of years.
    I share what I learn, and I share what works good for me and what I like.
    I also help a lot of guys get started at distance with SP's.
    I let people use my own rigs in comps, to get them started. I enjoy it.
    I promote SP's and what can be done with them.
    What I like most is watching someone else being successful with a SP at distance or taking their first big game animal with a SP. The look on their face is priceless.
    Seems like you have been doing some of that yourself (Promoting and talking up your SP)--Good!
    You have nothing to prove to me.
    Yours is probably bigger than mine:D Figured I would just get that one out of the way.
    I am not down on your SP.
    Have I shot Strikers and TC's at distance? Yep.
    Were they highly customized? None of the Striker's were, but 2 TC's were, but most were not.
    Don't like Striker triggers, but I have had several of them.
    Other reason is the bolt is on the wrong side for me.
    Just because I don't prefer Striker's or TC's doesn't make them bad- I just don't care for them. I don't tear down those that use them and I am pleased when they are successful with them.

    If I want a SP for under a grand I buy an MOA Maximum.
    External hammer=Slow lock time. MOA's have an external hammer
    Every time you reload you have to move the gun off of your rest.
    If you want to compete against me come to the MOA LR Handgun Comp that is in Sundance, WY every June. 3-day match. Earlier in the week we have PD shoot on that Monday-Tuesday. We also have a roving field courselightbulb
    MOA Annual "Cold Turkey" Handgun Match

    Come, and we can play whatever games you want, but I am not interested in 100-200 yard stuff, and although I shoot from the bench and usually once a year compete from the bench, my heart is in field shooting (First shot connections in that it tells me how good or bad of a job I did of reading the wind), not group shooting.
    I will shoot one of my MOA's and you can shoot your SP. I will shoot my own MOA with my own loads.
    If you like I will shoot one of my MOA's that I picked up used for under $900 (Included 3-boxes of 140 grain Berger's, 1 box of Lapua brass, NF rings and Redding dies). You can do the math. I was patient and when a great deal came my way I took it.
    I have never got around to load development yet with it yet. MOA uses Douglas barrels.
    I shoot MOA's on a regular basis, and they are not the “super-duper big buck$$ specials”.:D
    Again, you don't have to prove anything to me-Just go have fun with SP's.
    I don't think the other SP guys really care what I do with a stock rig.
    FYI-I have had plain jane MOA's for some time now.
    MOA's are considered factory class in IHMSA-Nuff said.
    I am not the biggest buck in the field. If you are trying to measure yourself up against someone, to see where you stand, go play against the rifle guys in either bench or tactical with your SP.
    Enjoy what you have and don't worry about the other guys.

    Last, you do not know how much or how little I spend on my bolt rigs.
    You assume a lot for not really knowing me.
    I hope I have answered some questions.
    I don't apologize for what I use.
    This is a good forum with good folks.
    I hope this is a place to where you can enjoy it when you click on the site.



     
  9. tyler.woodard04

    tyler.woodard04 Well-Known Member

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    looking good Ernie. one of these years I would love to come out and spend some time on the range with you.
     
  10. Ernie

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    Thanks.
    If you make it out this way, give me a holler.
     
  11. TXshooter

    TXshooter Well-Known Member

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    I have an xp-100 in .308. Love the thing. Killed 5 deer with it this year. I do have one question for you. Every time I see an xp-100 they have normal rifle scopes one them. Now I can see using that off the bench but how does that work in the field. I would think it would be hard. Just curious. I will say my pistol scope is kind of a pain to find and stay focused. Is it easier with the rifle scope. It would be nice to have more magnification but what about it recoiling in your face. Thanks
     
  12. Ernie

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    TX,
    First give this a read. A little dated, but still accurate.
    Handgun Hunter Magazine - Rifle Scopes On Specialty Handguns

    http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f121/holland-radial-muzzle-brake-xp-100-handgun-36059/
    His Gen 2 brake is even more effective:)

    6.5-06
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZEt3dECMdA]Holland Generation 2 Radial Brake - YouTube[/ame]

    7SAUM
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_FbsGLxxw8]Erik shooting 550 yds 7 SAUM XP - YouTube[/ame]

    6.5WSM
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsN2r3kWaJU]Title - YouTube[/ame]

    375 Chey-Tac Improved
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpvoURwOkSM]375 Snipe-Tac Specialty Handgun - YouTube[/ame]
     
  13. TXshooter

    TXshooter Well-Known Member

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    That was a great article thanks for posting it. My hunting situations are mostly out of a deer blind with the forend resting on a narrow window ledge. My xp has a custom barrel with muzzle brake. Do you think a rifle scope on my xp would be steady like that compared to arms extended with the LER scope.
     
  14. Ernie

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    Brand of SP?
    Chambering?
    Whose brake?