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<blockquote data-quote="eddybo" data-source="post: 479033" data-attributes="member: 7194"><p>I have never made a wounding shot on a long range game animal. I have missed, but due to innattention, as in forgetting to dial back to zero twice or maybe even three times, and once for entering inclination incorrectly. I did gutshot a yote because I had an incorrect range for the first shot. I held an additional 5 MOA based upon seeing my first bullet impact short. He died within sight but I still did not like it. I do not like to make an animal even a yote to suffer because of me. I have busted milk jugs cold bore much further than 1 K. I have not taken an elk past 1200, but if the opportunity presents itself this year I will. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> I am sorry that you do not get to hunt long range, I feel sorry for you, maybe you should migrate. Maybe that is the difference between us. The only thing that you do when you flub a shot is miss a target. They do not run around for two days dragging a leg. I have seen this and it is not pretty.</p><p> </p><p> I still have not heard anything about your experiance although I have asked a couple of times if I recall. I may be wrong but there is not way I am going back and rereading this thread. How many barrels have you burned up on dedicated long range rigs? How many rifles have you worked drop charts that will usually allow you to make even a 1 MOA cold bore shot at 1500 yards? </p><p> </p><p>You fudge velocities to make G7 BCs work correctly for you, right? Maybe you get them "good enough" I think you must have some problems with your scope. Maybe you need to go remeasure something. Have you ever seen a G1 BC work 100% correctly? If that was all you had to work with, you may think a little differently of my methods. </p><p> </p><p>I have one rifle that does not fit the norm in I cannot make "correct" BCs work for that rifle. I can however make it work, with very good sucess. I do however have a good number of rifles that do work relatively well without resorting to BC juggling. G7 is a relatively new thing to many of us, maybe I could make it "correct" and have it still work if I had a G7 BC to try, I dunno. </p><p> </p><p>I have already stated that I agree the G7 form factor is best. I still think you have to shoot the rifle at the ranges you are going to be shooting. Do you disagree with that? I have stated in probably just about every post I have flung into this thread, that you have to shoot the gun. Being a non hunter maybe that is not important to you being that you do not have the opportunity to hunt. </p><p> </p><p>Do you think it is okay for someone having the best equipment available rifle, optics, range finder, ballistic computer using a G7 BC to take a shot longer than the equipment they are using has ever been proven to be accurate (remember this is a hunting site although you are apparently not a long range hunter)? If you dissagree with that then I will continue posting it, otherwise ...whatever. BTW my longest shot on a game animal was on a whitetail deer the vitals are about the size of a pie plate, which is not all that big.</p><p> </p><p>BTW I am in complete agreement that once the dialing is done that just about any monkey can squeeze the trigger. In fact that argument is the reason I quit posting any of my hunts on this site. I let a buddy shoot a cow elk at 1187 yards. It was a good shot in calm conditions. I got chewed out about it by a couple of guys so said to hades with it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="eddybo, post: 479033, member: 7194"] I have never made a wounding shot on a long range game animal. I have missed, but due to innattention, as in forgetting to dial back to zero twice or maybe even three times, and once for entering inclination incorrectly. I did gutshot a yote because I had an incorrect range for the first shot. I held an additional 5 MOA based upon seeing my first bullet impact short. He died within sight but I still did not like it. I do not like to make an animal even a yote to suffer because of me. I have busted milk jugs cold bore much further than 1 K. I have not taken an elk past 1200, but if the opportunity presents itself this year I will. I am sorry that you do not get to hunt long range, I feel sorry for you, maybe you should migrate. Maybe that is the difference between us. The only thing that you do when you flub a shot is miss a target. They do not run around for two days dragging a leg. I have seen this and it is not pretty. I still have not heard anything about your experiance although I have asked a couple of times if I recall. I may be wrong but there is not way I am going back and rereading this thread. How many barrels have you burned up on dedicated long range rigs? How many rifles have you worked drop charts that will usually allow you to make even a 1 MOA cold bore shot at 1500 yards? You fudge velocities to make G7 BCs work correctly for you, right? Maybe you get them "good enough" I think you must have some problems with your scope. Maybe you need to go remeasure something. Have you ever seen a G1 BC work 100% correctly? If that was all you had to work with, you may think a little differently of my methods. I have one rifle that does not fit the norm in I cannot make "correct" BCs work for that rifle. I can however make it work, with very good sucess. I do however have a good number of rifles that do work relatively well without resorting to BC juggling. G7 is a relatively new thing to many of us, maybe I could make it "correct" and have it still work if I had a G7 BC to try, I dunno. I have already stated that I agree the G7 form factor is best. I still think you have to shoot the rifle at the ranges you are going to be shooting. Do you disagree with that? I have stated in probably just about every post I have flung into this thread, that you have to shoot the gun. Being a non hunter maybe that is not important to you being that you do not have the opportunity to hunt. Do you think it is okay for someone having the best equipment available rifle, optics, range finder, ballistic computer using a G7 BC to take a shot longer than the equipment they are using has ever been proven to be accurate (remember this is a hunting site although you are apparently not a long range hunter)? If you dissagree with that then I will continue posting it, otherwise ...whatever. BTW my longest shot on a game animal was on a whitetail deer the vitals are about the size of a pie plate, which is not all that big. BTW I am in complete agreement that once the dialing is done that just about any monkey can squeeze the trigger. In fact that argument is the reason I quit posting any of my hunts on this site. I let a buddy shoot a cow elk at 1187 yards. It was a good shot in calm conditions. I got chewed out about it by a couple of guys so said to hades with it. [/QUOTE]
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