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<blockquote data-quote="MontanaRifleman" data-source="post: 492225" data-attributes="member: 11717"><p>I agree with most of your advise, but am a little confused on a couple of things.</p><p></p><p>What would you call "exotic wildcats" and "specialty bullets"?</p><p></p><p>If you're referring to the 300-338 RUM, it is no more exotic or difficult than the 338-300 RUM (EDGE). Very simple to do. You also recommended Shawn Carlock, which I think is a great recommendation, but all his "custom" rifle packages are built on tweaked 700's. The dies he offers are Redding Comp dies, custom made for the EDGE. They will be very similar in cost and quality to the Honrady Custom Match Grade dies I am ordering for my 300-338 RUM, $190 for the dies and $20 for the micrometer stem and my dies will be spec'd for the min SAAMI chamber in my rifle based on reamer drawing. It ain't rocket science. Pretty straight forward stuff. I will have to pay for the reamer, but my project when done will have the same 1/2 MOA guarantee that Shawn or any other quality smith offer, with or without custom action, and at a very reasonable price. Would I prefer a custom action? You bet I would. Will a custom action shoot better than my tweaked Howa or Rem? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. Better resale value? I could sell my $1500 project for a $1000 and you could sell a $3000 custom job for $2500. Be it a full custom or semi-custom, it is very difficult to get back what you put in to it. I don't build a rifle with the idea of selling it, I build it for my purposes only.</p><p></p><p>I'm not necessarily advising the OP do a 300-338 RUM, but that is the best option I see for doing a repeater seating GS 177 bullets and it will outperform any other 30 cal repeater out there, including a 300-338 LM Imp shooting 210 Bergers or 208 Hornadys, by a long shot. I am trying to get him to understand the thought process involved in setting your LR goal and achieving it.</p><p></p><p>The 300 Wby is a great cartridge, but it will not get the OP to 1200 yds (unless he uses special bullets and powder) I have a NIB Sub MOA Vanguard SS 300 Wby with a factory shot target that measures about .35" right now that I'll be glad to sell to him for $800 plus shipping which is at least $100 less than could be found on Gunbroker. That said, if he wants to get to 1200 yds in a 30 cal he needs a 300 RUM (EDIT: or 30-338 Wby) with a good bullet and a good load. For that length cartridge, he will likely have to short throat the chamber in order to seat a high BC bullet and have a repeater.</p><p></p><p>On "specialty bullets"... we spend a lot of time talking about bullets in LRH. The right bullets make the distance possible. There are only two things that matter in getting down range and those are BC and Velocity. As one of our members has so very profoundly put it, "there are good hunting bullets and good LR bullets, but very few (if any) good LR hunting bullets". For the 30 cal, there is simply no better LR hunting bullet than the GS 177, it will far out distance anything else available period. It has better internal and external ballistics than anything and better terminal ballistics at both close and long range. What's not to like? -...except the price. Again, personal choice, but if you want to hunt to 1200 yds with a 30 cal, the best way to do it is the GS 177.</p><p></p><p>The OP obviously believes in quality and getting the job done right the first time. Buy once, cry once, but at the same time get value for your dollar.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MontanaRifleman, post: 492225, member: 11717"] I agree with most of your advise, but am a little confused on a couple of things. What would you call "exotic wildcats" and "specialty bullets"? If you're referring to the 300-338 RUM, it is no more exotic or difficult than the 338-300 RUM (EDGE). Very simple to do. You also recommended Shawn Carlock, which I think is a great recommendation, but all his "custom" rifle packages are built on tweaked 700's. The dies he offers are Redding Comp dies, custom made for the EDGE. They will be very similar in cost and quality to the Honrady Custom Match Grade dies I am ordering for my 300-338 RUM, $190 for the dies and $20 for the micrometer stem and my dies will be spec'd for the min SAAMI chamber in my rifle based on reamer drawing. It ain't rocket science. Pretty straight forward stuff. I will have to pay for the reamer, but my project when done will have the same 1/2 MOA guarantee that Shawn or any other quality smith offer, with or without custom action, and at a very reasonable price. Would I prefer a custom action? You bet I would. Will a custom action shoot better than my tweaked Howa or Rem? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. Better resale value? I could sell my $1500 project for a $1000 and you could sell a $3000 custom job for $2500. Be it a full custom or semi-custom, it is very difficult to get back what you put in to it. I don't build a rifle with the idea of selling it, I build it for my purposes only. I'm not necessarily advising the OP do a 300-338 RUM, but that is the best option I see for doing a repeater seating GS 177 bullets and it will outperform any other 30 cal repeater out there, including a 300-338 LM Imp shooting 210 Bergers or 208 Hornadys, by a long shot. I am trying to get him to understand the thought process involved in setting your LR goal and achieving it. The 300 Wby is a great cartridge, but it will not get the OP to 1200 yds (unless he uses special bullets and powder) I have a NIB Sub MOA Vanguard SS 300 Wby with a factory shot target that measures about .35" right now that I'll be glad to sell to him for $800 plus shipping which is at least $100 less than could be found on Gunbroker. That said, if he wants to get to 1200 yds in a 30 cal he needs a 300 RUM (EDIT: or 30-338 Wby) with a good bullet and a good load. For that length cartridge, he will likely have to short throat the chamber in order to seat a high BC bullet and have a repeater. On "specialty bullets"... we spend a lot of time talking about bullets in LRH. The right bullets make the distance possible. There are only two things that matter in getting down range and those are BC and Velocity. As one of our members has so very profoundly put it, "there are good hunting bullets and good LR bullets, but very few (if any) good LR hunting bullets". For the 30 cal, there is simply no better LR hunting bullet than the GS 177, it will far out distance anything else available period. It has better internal and external ballistics than anything and better terminal ballistics at both close and long range. What's not to like? -...except the price. Again, personal choice, but if you want to hunt to 1200 yds with a 30 cal, the best way to do it is the GS 177. The OP obviously believes in quality and getting the job done right the first time. Buy once, cry once, but at the same time get value for your dollar. [/QUOTE]
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