leadsled help please

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by Bigeclipse, Aug 24, 2013.

  1. Bigeclipse

    Bigeclipse Well-Known Member

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    relatively new to shooting. bought a leadsled to aid in sighting in rifle. if the sled is setup right and you use proper paralax setting on scope then it shouldn't matter to much about proper eye sight through scope as the paralax should aid in this...right? if so...is there reason why I'm getting bad groups at 100 yards...4 inches...Also this is new ammo I was trying...federal premium in 165. so maybe it's the ammo but dang 4 inch groups at 100 yards...is it the sled...the ammo?
     

  2. FEENIX

    FEENIX Well-Known Member

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    Welcome to the shooting world, esp in LRH!

    I have very good success with lead sled during sight-in/load development. The only thing I do not like is that I cannot get a good cheek weld. However, when I'm satisfied with the load, I fine tune it using shooting bags and finalize it with my shooting set-up (bipod) and shooting position (prone).

    Shoot without the lead sled to isolate it (process of elimination), if it remains the same, then it's not the sled ...

    How did it shot with old ammo? Some rifles just shoots better with a certain load ... that's why most of us load our own to fine tune it with a specific rifle.

    It's a start, perhaps more info will unfold and others will chime to help you.

    Good luck!
     

  3. Bigeclipse

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    well first I tried shooting bags but I'm not good enough to group well on my own...I was getting about Mmoa at 100 so I read a sledhead can help with keeping things steady to determine which load my gun shoots the best
     
  4. FEENIX

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    Thus far, the only thing we now is you're a relatively new shooter ... and to be good at it does not happen overnight, stick to basic shooting fundamentals, be patient, and practice, practice, practice ...

    I understand that you're using new ammo but it's unclear if this is your 1st time shooting it.

    There are lots of members here that are always willing and able to help but you need to provide as many helpful information that you can possibly pass on.
     
  5. Bigeclipse

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    sorry I will try and explain better. I'm not exactly new to shooting...I've hunted the past couple years with father in law and have shot those rifles a bit. now I finally bought my own new Browning bolt 300wsm. I know you have to sometimes try lots of ammo to find what shoots best. well I no on the other rifles I shot that my father inlaw would shoot half moa...same rifle and ammo and setup and I'dggett moa so obviously he shoots better than me. so to try and eliminate some shooter error I wanted to buy a leadsled which I did. so I shot it today with two different ammo. one I shot previously but only to get the gun on paper. the other I haven't shot at all. so I shot the 150 grain federal premium ballistic tip and got about 1in group at 100 yards. I then tried the federal premium 165 grain nickel plated trophy tips and I got that 4inch group which is rally bad. this is on the leadsled...I had my scope at the proper paralax...and I heard the xbolts get moa with almost any ammo so I was surprised I got a 4inch group with the 165 trophy tips. just seeing if the leadsled can cause this or if simply my gun hates the 165 trophy tips.
     
  6. FEENIX

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    No two rifle of the same model and chambering will shoot the same, each are unique.

    Does yours come with the BOSS? If so, you need to tune it for the 165 even though it shot well with the 150.

    Do you have somebody that can help you shoot and see if you yield the same result?
     
  7. Doublezranch

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    I like my sled too but I was getting some wierd hits every third shot or so. I decided to put my bipod on and shoot from a rear bag. By doing this I can feel and handle the recoil the same way everytime. Try shooting from your sled, then from a bipod. It's amazing the difference.
     
  8. Bigeclipse

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    I was told the sled would aid in keeping consistent groups for determining which rounds work best...I don't get how it can cause a flyer...I do get it will shoot differently than from my shoulder but as far as just which bullets shoot best...it should work or at least I'd think so
     
  9. jkupper

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    I agree with what FEENIX has said. Every gun is different and they usually like different things.

    For example, my Rem 700 30-06 LOVES Nosler Balllistic tips with a max load of Win 760. My dad'd gun, which is also a Rem 700 in 30-06, does not like them nearly as much as mine does.

    I think it is just a matter of your gun not liking that ammo. Keep trying different things until you get the results that you want, and as FEENIX said, keep developing your shooting skills as you go

    Best of luck to you. I hope you find something.
     
  10. Doublezranch

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    Oh for sure!! I use my sled for development too. But when it comes to the fine tuning on a load, I use the " as realistic as possible" technique with the bipod. It does make a difference at least I have found.
     
  11. Bigeclipse

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    so if a particular round isn't shooting well out of the leadsled then most likely it's because my rifle doesn't like the ammo and not the leadsled making the rifle jump or something weird like that?
     
  12. Doublezranch

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    It has to do way more with the rifle not liking the ammo vs. the leadsled tweaking your rifle. When you get your rifle shooting good on the sled, then put your bipod on and dial it in!! Listen to FEENIX, he knows what he is talking about!! :)
     
  13. WapitiBob

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    Best thing I did was leave the sled in the garage, after it shook the guts out of my scope.
     
  14. Bigeclipse

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    it really damaged your scope?!?! how can they sell things that damage scopes?some people.on here actually said the leadsled was great....now I feel like I wasted 200bucks...this is a leadsled dft by the way...