Thats right ! I'm here to tell you all that Montana smith is just as bad as the rest of us!! Don't let him slicker you like he did me , no sir , keep your eyes open and listen hard !!! He put a brake on my friends Lazzeroni warbird . OK , OK , OK , the WORK WAS FLAWLESS but.........when asked how the recoil is after the brake installment thats where he just out and out told a whopper , prevaricated , lied big time ( thats what happens when they get rich and famous ) Yessir , he said that brake made the rifle feel like it was a 270 . What a bunch of bull !!!!!!!!!! Near as I can assess it after 30 or so consecutive rounds at the bench shooting practically totally free recoil it may be at the 243 level /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif Yes , there is a lot of afterburner wash across the face, doesn't bother me a bit and does not influence the next shot whatsoever . So far load development has been with the 200 gr. Nosler AB and RL 25 . A 200 gr bullet at 3200 fps is not catastrophic as far as recoil but it is attention commanding after a number of rounds . Not any more ! Kirby did a number of things to this rifle tha t may help it be a shooter , if it doesn't it will no t be his fault as we stopped short by not putting a match grade bbl on it . Just hoping the Sako bbl would be up to the half moa we were wanting out of this rifle . I normally shoot extremely free recoil . Just for fun I took a moderate hold on the rifle while shooting factory ammo at 100yds to check velocities against advertised velo ( 200 fps shy ) anyways , I could almost spot my shots at 100!! More testing to follow , Jim B.