KDF or VAIS break?

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by JustC, Dec 26, 2002.

  1. JustC

    JustC Well-Known Member

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    Does anyone have an opinion as to wether either of these breaks is better than the other? Or is there a feature you like more with reguards to one than the other, and why?

    Thanks

    Justin
     
  2. jhendri2

    jhendri2 Well-Known Member

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    Vais brakes (if you are referring to the Ron Bartlett version) are good and not quite as loud as the KDF. The KDF is very effective and VERY loud.

    I have not had any experience with Vais' new brake (Hi Tech or something like that), since he returned from retirement.

    FWIW,

    Jim
     

  3. AJ300MAG

    AJ300MAG Well-Known Member

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    I had a Vais brake installed on my custom .338 Ultra Mag, I installed one on a .300 Ultra Mag (both are the origional style). Yes they work. Others might be more effective at recoil reduction, but as far as noise I've shot mine up to 4 shots without hearing protection while hunting, and didn't have any problems. One shot from my braked .300 Weatherby will cause temporary deafness. [​IMG]
     
  4. JustC

    JustC Well-Known Member

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    Thanks gentlemen,... keep em coming.
     
  5. NeMD

    NeMD New Member

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    I have a new Vais on my custom 338 Lapua mag. This rifle was put together by Nesika Bay Precision, and the guys there recommended/felt the Vais was the best brake they had tested.
     
  6. Guest

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    I have a Vais on my 300 RUM and love it. Shot it twice while hunting and my ears didn't even ring. My neighbors 300 Weatherby has a KDF and we tested both side by side with one of us standing next to the other while the gun was fired and the KDF had more blast coming back then the VAIS.
    Recoil reduction was close, maybe the KDF did alittle better but not by much.

    [ 12-26-2002: Message edited by: Wayne McD ]
     
  7. Marinefast

    Marinefast New Member

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    I have used S-1's breaks and it is better than any break I have used. It reduced the amount of recoil and torque. This allowed me to make follow-up shots off of a hardened surface rapidly. The reduced torque did not kick the rifle off the ground like the other breaks did. It also saved my shoulder from being turned into hamburger at the end of a long range day.
     
  8. JustC

    JustC Well-Known Member

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    Thank you gentlemen. where might I find info on these S-1 breaks?
     
  9. Guest

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    JustC

    You can E-mail me at S1@ARTACTICAL.com

    Or ask stlshooter he just shot one today on his brand new stick.
     
  10. JustC

    JustC Well-Known Member

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    Thank you S1, I will do that.
     
  11. Celt

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    The KDF brake is not really all that effecient. Three brakes that some to mind are far better in recoil reduction and noise.

    The Answer brake is the best so far for recoil reduction and is not as nasty loud as a KDF.
    OPSINC brakes are very good for recoil and vent gas to the sides. They work better than the KDF for recoil.

    Vais (Bartlett) brakes are much less offensive and also are better for recoil reduction than the KDF.

    I have installed litterally hundreds of brakes over the years. I have cut more KDF brakes off than any other to be replaced by a better brake.

    Other pluses about the Answer and Vais brakes are that they can be tuerned down and blended in with a barrel to make it look seamless. The will look like part of the barrel and not some big ole pickle on the end of your rifle. The OPS INC brake can be turned down as well if the barrel brake OD's are close.

    FWIW
    Celt
     
  12. JustC

    JustC Well-Known Member

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    Thank you Celt.
     
  13. AZShooter

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    I also like the Vais. Have one on my 300 RUM.

    I must comment on the two guys that said they didn't find shooting the brake without ear protection objectionable. I ended up shooting mine without hearing protection during an elk last winter. IT WAS A BIG MISTAKE!!! My ears rang for hours and I KNOW I have contributed to my continual tinnitus. I now shoot it without the brake when hunting, added a thread protector. If I KNEW I had time to stuff in plugs I'd consider hunting with the brake. Our sit and glass approach to coues wt could work with the brake.

    I will say the brake is very effective and kind of sexy looking compared to that bulbous thing KDF makes.
     
  14. davewilson

    davewilson Well-Known Member

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    i would never get a brake with holes the whole way around it, but that's me. and probably most on here. several better brakes out there now than the KDF or Vias.

    i will say the claim that the S1 brake is supposed to reduce torque is full of fecal matter.