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Just finished a Lothar Walther barrel
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<blockquote data-quote="James Jones" data-source="post: 216623" data-attributes="member: 8843"><p>Their is no doubt that the steel is superior with LW vs the 416ss thats generaly used here in the US , its significantly harder and much stronger which making this for machining a bit harder , I have only ever delt with one LW barrel that diden't have the Blackstarr electropolishing process done to it and it was a prethreaded Savage baller , this gun shoots well consistantly in the 1/2" range with factory ammo (match 308) and will shoot into the .3's with good hand loads and the right driver , it doesen't foul any worse than any other prethreaded barrel I've seen from either Dougles , Shilen or Pac-Nor , I haven't bore scoped it either so I can't say that the tooling marks are bad.</p><p>I can speek for the Blackstar barrels Ive used (made by LW) , they all shot as good as anyother barrel I've used and upon looking at them through a bore scope they are noticably more smooth on the inside , but their are several oppinions on barrel interior finish , Dan Lilja think they can be too smooth and others think the more smooth the better. The couple barels I've had from them diden't foul hardly at all and cleaned very easy , anybetter than a Lilja or Hart? I can't make an honest claim to that as the calibers were differant.</p><p> </p><p>I firmly believe that more goes into making a gun shoot relay well than just the barrel , I've seen guns barreled with a Kreiger by some clown in his garage that would not ever shoot into an inch at 100yds , ever, and I have seenguns barrled by a good smith with a Adam & Bennit barrel (in 338 win mag) would consistantly shoot close to the 1/2" range with several differant loads , not bad for a $75 barrel. Granted the later gun fouled more than the Kreiger but shot well none the less.</p><p> </p><p>The LW barrels have the potential to shoot as good and in most cases better than the person shooting them if they are installed properly. I will agree that they are a pain in the butt to cut if your not used to them but once you get the hang of how the material cuts its not that bad , yes it does take longer to fit one up , not 6hrs but maybe twice as long as a 416 , aside from all the indicating in. I'm sure that a good through the bore fluid flush would help alot over dabbing the oil on the reamer by hand.</p><p> </p><p>Are their better barrel choices out their? probably , could a LW set a world record? Probably. Look at the equiptment list from differant shooting comps , 200yd BR guys have a certain barrel maker that has a great following , same for 600ydBR , 1000yd BR , Palma , F-class and on and on , the tactical crowd will pick a Rock Creek or Obermeyer barrel over a Lilja or Hart everytime are they barrel shooting out of an A5 stock than a McMillan Edge BR?? nope just what those guys like.</p><p> </p><p>To each his own , what would I rather use? No doubt I prefer one of the better cut rifled barrel form here in the US ,Kreiger , Bartlein , Rockcreek and on and on , but the mose accurate gun I've owned was barreled with a fluted Lilja.</p><p> </p><p>Barrels are dissposable ,they are going to wear out , will a LW last longer due to its material make up? probably a little bit longer is it worth ****ing off your smith to get one if you expect him to do more work for you , cause if hes not framiliar with them hes gonna ruin some tools and maybe your barrel.</p><p> </p><p>I personaly would like to have a barrel made from 718 Inconel , cut rifled with 5R rifleing to the specs of Kreiger or Lilja. Thats ain't gonna happen as it would cost several thousand dollars but that would be the best metal out their aside from things like carbide and tungston.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="James Jones, post: 216623, member: 8843"] Their is no doubt that the steel is superior with LW vs the 416ss thats generaly used here in the US , its significantly harder and much stronger which making this for machining a bit harder , I have only ever delt with one LW barrel that diden't have the Blackstarr electropolishing process done to it and it was a prethreaded Savage baller , this gun shoots well consistantly in the 1/2" range with factory ammo (match 308) and will shoot into the .3's with good hand loads and the right driver , it doesen't foul any worse than any other prethreaded barrel I've seen from either Dougles , Shilen or Pac-Nor , I haven't bore scoped it either so I can't say that the tooling marks are bad. I can speek for the Blackstar barrels Ive used (made by LW) , they all shot as good as anyother barrel I've used and upon looking at them through a bore scope they are noticably more smooth on the inside , but their are several oppinions on barrel interior finish , Dan Lilja think they can be too smooth and others think the more smooth the better. The couple barels I've had from them diden't foul hardly at all and cleaned very easy , anybetter than a Lilja or Hart? I can't make an honest claim to that as the calibers were differant. I firmly believe that more goes into making a gun shoot relay well than just the barrel , I've seen guns barreled with a Kreiger by some clown in his garage that would not ever shoot into an inch at 100yds , ever, and I have seenguns barrled by a good smith with a Adam & Bennit barrel (in 338 win mag) would consistantly shoot close to the 1/2" range with several differant loads , not bad for a $75 barrel. Granted the later gun fouled more than the Kreiger but shot well none the less. The LW barrels have the potential to shoot as good and in most cases better than the person shooting them if they are installed properly. I will agree that they are a pain in the butt to cut if your not used to them but once you get the hang of how the material cuts its not that bad , yes it does take longer to fit one up , not 6hrs but maybe twice as long as a 416 , aside from all the indicating in. I'm sure that a good through the bore fluid flush would help alot over dabbing the oil on the reamer by hand. Are their better barrel choices out their? probably , could a LW set a world record? Probably. Look at the equiptment list from differant shooting comps , 200yd BR guys have a certain barrel maker that has a great following , same for 600ydBR , 1000yd BR , Palma , F-class and on and on , the tactical crowd will pick a Rock Creek or Obermeyer barrel over a Lilja or Hart everytime are they barrel shooting out of an A5 stock than a McMillan Edge BR?? nope just what those guys like. To each his own , what would I rather use? No doubt I prefer one of the better cut rifled barrel form here in the US ,Kreiger , Bartlein , Rockcreek and on and on , but the mose accurate gun I've owned was barreled with a fluted Lilja. Barrels are dissposable ,they are going to wear out , will a LW last longer due to its material make up? probably a little bit longer is it worth ****ing off your smith to get one if you expect him to do more work for you , cause if hes not framiliar with them hes gonna ruin some tools and maybe your barrel. I personaly would like to have a barrel made from 718 Inconel , cut rifled with 5R rifleing to the specs of Kreiger or Lilja. Thats ain't gonna happen as it would cost several thousand dollars but that would be the best metal out their aside from things like carbide and tungston. [/QUOTE]
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