I'm having a bit of difficulty getting my model 70 264 WM to consistently shoot the 140g AMAX. I've only tried H1000 so far, but original work up showed a .5" cloverleaf group with 67g at 3100fps. Bullets were seated to touch the lands during original work up. Thought to myself, wow, that was almost to easy. Think I jinxed myself lol. So I load the same exact load and shoot again in couple days, this time there shooting 1-1.5" at 100 yards. Getting 2 close and 1 big bad flyer. This led me to try a few different seating depths still using 67g. I tried .005" in the lands, .005", .010", .015" off the lands and groups were still 1-1.5 MOA with 2 really close or touching, and a big flyer. I dont get it?? I also shot the original load (67g H1000 at the lands) at 625 yards, and both times it put 2 within 2-3" inches, but flew the 3rd 8-12", condidtions were great... I am using Fed215's, was thinking about trying a CCI250 just to see with the above load. Sometimes I've had loads tighten up considerably with just a primer swap. Just haven't got around to that yet. I also have a few more powders to try now if need be in H4350, H4831sc, and Retumbo if the H1000 wont work out. One other thing, my rifle has a 1 in 9" twist, and I know the Hornady bullet box says a 7.5" twist is recomended, but they are leaving round holes all the way to 625 yards. I dont think my twist is exactly the problem, but maybe its not helping any either, maybe borderline?? What do you guys think? If it wasn't stabilizing them, I wouldn't be gettign MOA groups and round holes I would think. The twist wouldn't cause a flyer either, more like shotgun patterns if stabilization was the problem. So I guess I'd like to ask if and where any of you had luck with AMAXs shooting off the lands, and inparticular where? Just to get a good idea anyways. I've always had great luck with the 7mm 162 amax loaded to the lands, and heard from many others to keep them touching or even in a tad, so thats what I've been doing. Might have this problem with the 105 AMAX in my 243 as well, but its the opposite problem where as Im having to find the jump sweet spot because they wont fit in my mag when loaded to the lands... Id like to minimize going to the range right now since I'm still in recovery process and on crutches with a broken knee. Thanks for any help.