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Let's get off the abortion topic as that has nothing to do with this subforum:

Politics of Guns and Hunting.

The reason topics other than this are not encourages is that many are just too devisive for this site which is all about fellowship. And there are many other websites for the other important debate topics...just not here, please.
 
Based on your criteria, what we call the left wing of the Democrat party currently, is actually right wing? Just based the example that you use of Hitler. Hitler used the Communist Manifesto as the blue print for his movement. What we currently are calling the left wing of the Democrats are by and large following the same blue print. So in reality the left wing is right wing and I am a leftist. I am very confused. This is the second time in my life that this has happened to me. When I was young, in the 80's, I used to identify my self as an environmentalist. I hunt, fish, and generally recreate in the wilderness. Until I figured out that the term environmentalist was hijacked by an ideology that is against free markets and capitalism. Generally against prosperity.

So I can only assume that I am not alone here. There are a whole bunch of us that no longer know what we are, ideologically speaking. So, Roll-Yur-Own, help me out here. How are we supposed to identify here? Perhaps you can tell us what you are, and how you keep it straight. Or are you one of those people that are sooo smart that you have no position on anything? Because really smart people are above taking sides on an issue. Do you just take the high road and look down at the stupid people who form opinions on what is right and wrong? Or do you just wait to see which side has the most people, and go that way?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Steve

Steve, I happen to agree with you that many don't know who they are ideologically. I'm an independent. I do take a side. But, I take a side on issues. I don't marry myself to a liberal or conservative mindset. Fact is I find most pol's full of you know what no matter what the party.

As for Hitler being left wing......

How many members of the aryian nation or the klan voted for Obama?
 
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Big Buck, I know the word of God. Do you think God is against health care?

If you want to get into it then what do you think Jesus meant when he said "Put away your swords"

Doesn't Isiah say "I will beat there swords into plowshares"

Don't twist what God wants. And never say God "Hates" anything because God doesn't hate.

Did you know that Jesus was very left wing? Its a fact. Go read the Dead Sea Scrolls. He was an Essene. So was John the Baptist. They were a very left wing sect. Why do you think Jesus said "It is easier for a camel to pass thru a needles eye than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven."

Like it of not Jesus was a liberal Jew!!!!!
 
Steve, I happen to agree with you that many don't know who they are ideologically. I'm an independent. I do take a side. But, I take a side on issues. I don't marry myself to a liberal or conservative mindset. Fact is I find most pol's full of you know what no matter what the party.

As for Hitler being left wing......

How many members of the aryian nation or the klan voted for Obama?

You are not backing up your point. You are not the intellectual dynamo that I thought you were. Phorwath at least beats me up with sharp rhetoric and high intelligence. You my friend are nothing more than a follower.

Good luck continuing to be hip.

Steve
 
I guess you can't continue your "Hitler was a lefty" BS because you know that members of the aryian nation would never vote for a democrat.

Why don't you answer that one question....


Why do nazis not vote democrat?
 
I don't know what they vote. I would venture to guess that they for the most part don't vote. Aryan nation whack jobs don't call them selves Nazis because they believe in Communism. I believe they call them selves Nazis because of the ethnic cleansing that took place under Hitler.

In general I would put them on par with you in their ability to interprete the full scope of governmental systems and ideologies.

Your basic statement that anybody that is conservative is by definition racist, is factually incorrect and proves your ignorance and intolerance. You should go back to whatever University you came from so that you can hang with other mush heads that can't think for themselves.

Do yourself a favor and think with some logic before you try and answer.

Steve
 
I never said conservatives were racist. Nor would I say that Liberals are communist.

I'm pointing out that the fasicm is the extreme of right wing politics since you were trying to say that hitler and the fascists were actually communist which is the extreme of left wing politics. Political Science 101 would have taught you that.

I've apparently stumped you enough that you resorted to name calling so go listen to Glen Beck and he can tell you what to think.
 
I guess you can't continue your "Hitler was a lefty" BS because you know that members of the aryian nation would never vote for a democrat.

Why don't you answer that one question....


Why do nazis not vote democrat?
Hitler's nazi party was a fracture of the socialist party in that country
Robert Byrd KKK who do you think he voted for.
The Republican party has never had a national politician seated in either the house or the senate or oval office.
The civil rights movement of the 60's was caused by the Democrats repealing civil rights laws after the civil war. Most of the democratic leaders of that time were either members of a white supremists group or closely tied to one. History 101
Facisim; Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state,[11] with the belief that the majority is unsuited to govern itself through democracy and by reaffirming the benefits of inequality.
It is defined as right wing yet I live in Mass and in practice it is the opposite. How many republicans/conservative independants are staunch supporters of bigger gov't???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#cite_note-marxists.org-11
 
Hi Phorwath, whats wrong with you? You are a socialist, marxist, and a pelosi lover.

I despise you!

How dare you speak the truth. Dont you know that Jesus said not to go against the republicans?

Hillary and McCain were actually tied to a conspiracy to get Obama elected so the terrorists can take over the country.

Forget about the FACT that Bush was buddies with the Bin Laden family and the first thing he did after 9/11 was to get the safely back to Saudi Arabia. And, forget that under Bush the green berets were not allowed to capture Bin Laden when then they were a mere 150 yards from him.

Obama's gonna take away your guns! (Still waiting for that?!)

Phorwath, you better bend over and put your head up your *** and get on board with all the right wing propaganda.

Hey, Hitler was right wing wasn't he? And, didn't he enact gun control for the first time in history?

Oh Sorry, my head popped out of my ***. Let me put it back in.

Palin 2012!!! If the Russians attack us we can set up a military base in her backyard. (Since she sees them from her house)


by the way......

Can anyone tell me when a liberal jew named Jesus joined the republican party. I can't find his birth certificate....I mean voter registration card.

You brought Hitler in as a similar comparison to Conservatives. I asked you for help in the comparison. So I will try again. Compare and contrast the current liberal movement with Hitler's movement. Then compare and contrast the current conservative movement with Hitler's movement. Then we can compare similarities and differences in order to clarify your stance.

You are the professor.

Steve
 
Big Buck, I know the word of God. Do you think God is against health care?

If you want to get into it then what do you think Jesus meant when he said "Put away your swords"

Doesn't Isiah say "I will beat there swords into plowshares"

Don't twist what God wants. And never say God "Hates" anything because God doesn't hate.

Did you know that Jesus was very left wing? Its a fact. Go read the Dead Sea Scrolls. He was an Essene. So was John the Baptist. They were a very left wing sect. Why do you think Jesus said "It is easier for a camel to pass thru a needles eye than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven."

Like it of not Jesus was a liberal Jew!!!!!


This will be my last reply that is off topic for the thread as Len has requested so from here on out. Roll-yur-own you will be welcome to Pm me and we can discuss all the bible you want.

QUOTE "and never say God "Hates" anything because God doesn't hate."

Proverbs Chapter 6 Verse 16,17

16. These SIX things doth the Lord hate:yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17.A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, KJV

Friend God loves but his word says their is some things that he hates as well.

Bigbuck
 
I never said conservatives were racist. Nor would I say that Liberals are communist.

I'm pointing out that the fasicm is the extreme of right wing politics since you were trying to say that hitler and the fascists were actually communist which is the extreme of left wing politics. Political Science 101 would have taught you that.

I've apparently stumped you enough that you resorted to name calling so go listen to Glen Beck and he can tell you what to think.


Holy smokes, where do you people come from. Why don't you forget some of the stuff you lapped up in college and read a history book. Hilter was not 'right wing'...NAZI stands for Nationalsozialist..or 'national socialist'. The only thing you have pointed out is that you are well versed in regurgitating propaganda and have probably never read a book that wasn't "assigned in class". Here's some free education: (I've even included footnotes)

Main Entry: fas·cism
Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date: 1921
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic** government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

Main Entry: com·mu·nism
Pronunciation: \ˈkäm-yə-ˌni-zəm, -yü-\
Function: noun
Etymology: French communisme, from commun common
Date: 1840
1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2 capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively

Main Entry: con·ser·va·tism
Pronunciation: \kən-ˈsər-və-ˌti-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1832
1 capitalized a : the principles and policies of a Conservative party b : the Conservative party
2 a : disposition in politics to preserve what is established b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically : such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)
3 : the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change



**Main Entry: au·to·crat·ic Pronunciation: \ˌȯ-tə-ˈkra-tik\
Variant(s): also au·to·crat·i·cal \-ti-kəl\
Function: adjective
Date: 1823
1 : of, relating to, or being an autocracy : absolute <an autocratic government>
2 : characteristic of or resembling an autocrat : despotic <an autocratic ruler>


So, according to the dictionary (Websters), fascism and conservatism (right wing) are nothing alike, whereas the definition of communism seems to fit fairly well with what Obama and the liberals are pursuing...strong government, state owned industry, elimination of private property, and redistribution of wealth. But you'll never hear that on NPR, Hardball, Keith Olberman, the Al Franken show, or a majority of the college campuses nationwide.
 
First of all, I don't see any democrats (Obama inlcuded) advocating government owning all business. Which, by the very definintions you posted, is exactly what communism is. Wall street went unchecked and look what happened. You need government.

Why is it that a guy wants to give people healthcare and he is a communist? The gov't gave billions to banks but never helped the people losing their homes. Even Obama didn't say anything about that.
I thought the gov't should have given the banks 40 cents on the dollar for bad mortgages and then reworked them with the homeowners. Think that is socialist? Who cares. Its was equally socialist to give it to the banks.

The bailout was the biggest act of socialism in US history but nobody rallied like they did with healthcare. Are you againt the US post office? Your mail is delivered by a socialist organization.


Second, I know that nazis are "national socialists" but that is not communism.

By your rational, neo-nazis would vote for Obama.

Bottom line is that there is no such thing as democrat or republican. They are just devises to divide and conquer thus controlling the people. THAT is big gov't.

Think I'm crazy? Perhaps. But, ponder this....


The insurance companies support our 2nd amendment rights because they don't want to pay for animal car damage. (right side of the aisle) They also support laws mandating that people wear safety harnesses in treestands. (left side of the aisle)

Wake up.
 
Answer to your first sentence Roll yur own
YouTube - Waters: SocializeThe Oil Industry
They do not care about your health or your health care. They want the monetary power of 1/6th of the economy.
Read through the bits and pieces that you can find and it is abundantly clear. Since when has the gov't done anything what so ever that has done what they said???
The energy dept was founded to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. How's that working out????
The Social Security fund was designated to be it's own fund not suceptable to general funds miss appropriations. Until Johnson with a majority in both House and Senate passed a bill allowing the SS funds to be used for the general funds. How's that working out
GM, AIG, who is calling the shots???
Why don't you look up a part of history that had the same kind of bank failures better yet here you go. Notice who happen's to be right in the middle of it, Seems George Soros's name comes up. Who did he fund again??? Your way off base because you refuse to actually look factual data up.
Just because the media and the left wing loons blamed Bush for everything doesn't mean what he did or didn't do was a cause.
Here is just a very small piece of Soros's past manipulations
The Secret Financial Network Behind "Wizard" George Soros
This doen't even get into the collapse of the German Economy of 1989. Which by the way is the blueprint he is using to do the same to this country step for step.
Don't think so look up the people of Quantum NV then look at the hedges they used in the Oil markets of 2007-2008 Gee wasn't congress supposed to be investigating those types of shenanigians instead of steriods in Baseball
 
Health insurance companies don't care about you or your health either.

Neither does goldman sachs, gm, or any other corporation.

Corporations call the shots. Look at the NRA. Supported by insurance companies.

You think our memberships mean anything?

Do you think oil is $80 a barrel because the arabs are holding out? No, its because goldman sachs and other financial giants manipulate it.

As a commodities trader I know this for a fact.

It true that the market works on supply and demand but its supply and demand of futures contracts not the actual commodity in this case. Oil is not a high volume contract and for big financial companies it takes peanuts to move it.

Did you know that the bailout money was not given to many smaller banks thus forcing them into buyouts with the big banks. I'm a capitalist and having a handful of financial giants is not capitalism - its abuse.

I live in a small town and I like going to my local pharmacist for medicine, the local toystore for my kid, or the local ice cream parlor, hardware store, etc.

I'd hate to see it all turn into CVS drugs, Carvel, Toys R us, and home depot.
 
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