First let me point out that this was a high fence hunt. My family really enjoys elk meat but I can't justify an extra trip west each year. This year I took my 9 year old on a high fence hunt for a cow for "groceries." He was really excited about the chance to take an elk under any circumstances. It was a great experience for him. He was shooting my old Marlin 30-30 with 150 grain Barnes 30-30 bullets at 2300fps. The good news is Jared made 4 excellent shots on from 125 to 175 yards. I was not at all impressed with the performance of the Barnes bullets. The first three hits were dead nuts in the chest, broadside. The bullets zipped right through with little or no expansion. The final shot was heavily quartered away. It entered at the last rib and ended up under the off side shoulder. That bullet expanded slightly. I was very proud of Jared for keeping his composure and sinking shots right where they belonged. He was shooting standing off a Stoney Point tripod. It was his first game with a rifle. Those who want to complain about high fence hunts are welcome, but this was a great hunt for my boy and the "groceries" are darn tasty!