?? Is the obama pushed gun ban really about the 20 lives that were lost ??

[SidecarFlip]

Back on thread a bit....

The gun ban/legislation really has nothing to do with recent events other than it's a vehicle to advance Obama's intentions and thats to malign the Constitution and advance his agenda of a Socialist Totarian government.

You have to disarm the citizens to effectuate that. The citizens cannot be able to defend themselves against a tyranical government, excatly what Obama needs to accomplish.

Got a little preminition for you as well.... Obama will run for a third term, possibly a fourth and the population will support it because Obama is stacking the deck against the opposition by granting aliens citizennship for one and increasing entitlement for another.

He's 'buying' votes. He's not stupid, his handlers aren't either. If for some reason he decides not to pursue consecutive terms, he will or his handlers will offer up someone (possibly Obama's wife) to fill his shoes and advance the agenda that he's advancing presenttly.

The entitlement folks, the soon to be 'legalized' citizens, the union rank and file will join together to propel him into office for a 4th and 5th and possibly even more terms.

He will be hailed as the greatest president in the history of the United States and he will reshape this country into a Socialist Totarian state, much like Hugo Chavez has done. His title will be president but in reality he will be a dictator.

The central government will control everything and the sheeple (citizens will obey). The freedoms that you have enjoyied (likie the Second Amendment) will be gone.

We can postpone the inevitable but he will continue to chip away at what we hold dear, eventually achieving his goal and the sad thing is, the population in general will applaud his actions and hold him in high regard.

Like I said, it's a game of chess. We as patriots are on the offensive and he is the agressor. He's all about checkmate and he will aqchieve that goal, one way or another.

It's coming folks, have a good grip on your shorts...............

 

[D.ID]

Not at all ticked off, I have bean preparing a while myself. I agree that the deviance of this regime knows no bounds and they have just attempted to accelerate an ancient game. In doing so I hope they have alarmed more people as to there true end game.

" I pray every day I am wrong. That doesn't mean I'm not going to plan for it any less." same here................D

 

[D.ID]

Back on thread a bit....

The gun ban/legislation really has nothing to do with recent events other than it's a vehicle to advance Obama's intentions and thats to malign the Constitution and advance his agenda of a Socialist Totarian government.

You have to disarm the citizens to effectuate that. The citizens cannot be able to defend themselves against a tyranical government, excatly what Obama needs to accomplish.

Got a little preminition for you as well.... Obama will run for a third term, possibly a fourth and the population will support it because Obama is stacking the deck against the opposition by granting aliens citizennship for one and increasing entitlement for another.

He's 'buying' votes. He's not stupid, his handlers aren't either. If for some reason he decides not to pursue consecutive terms, he will or his handlers will offer up someone (possibly Obama's wife) to fill his shoes and advance the agenda that he's advancing presenttly.

The entitlement folks, the soon to be 'legalized' citizens, the union rank and file will join together to propel him into office for a 4th and 5th and possibly even more terms.

He will be hailed as the greatest president in the history of the United States and he will reshape this country into a Socialist Totarian state, much like Hugo Chavez has done. His title will be president but in reality he will be a dictator.

The central government will control everything and the sheeple (citizens will obey). The freedoms that you have enjoyied (likie the Second Amendment) will be gone.

We can postpone the inevitable but he will continue to chip away at what we hold dear, eventually achieving his goal and the sad thing is, the population in general will applaud his actions and hold him in high regard.

Like I said, it's a game of chess. We as patriots are on the offensive and he is the agressor. He's all about checkmate and he will aqchieve that goal, one way or another.

It's coming folks, have a good grip on your shorts...............

We still have not finished paying for the last four term president. I sure hope your wrong on that, but nothing would surprise me anymore.

 

[aviatrix]

Doesn't it give you all a wonderful feeling of security that along with her trying to disarm America, Dianne Feinstein now wants to set up assassination courts to try Americans in?

She says setting up such a court would put controls on it; that's spin and lies, setting up such a court legetimizes, formalizes, institutionlizes and lays the foundation for it to build on - and build on they surely will. You don't set up a court for this, you outlaw it.

An assassination court is not a slippery slope; it is the abyss.

 

[etisll40]

BIGBUCK, this is so true. It really is so hypocritical to talk about a crazy man killing children, and millions of lost lives from abortion. I honest to God can't feel 1 iota of trust for people who think it's okay for Abortion but we have a problem with guns? There is no way a Pro-choice person can be okay on Abortion and against people who own guns. I really don't get that. As far as I'm concerned we are a Republic, which is a form of Democracy whereby minority's have rights and the MAJORITY can't take them away. That's the essence of our constitution. Social Democracy's fail or turn into Fascist or Socialist or Communist regimes once Minority's get fed up. If Minority's get FED UP sorry for the pun, we may have to backtrack to the past. Maybe staying as territory's wasn't such a bad idea. I believe individual states and their Governor's need to start fighting the Federal Government. It already has too much power. And it will ruin America if we continue to move towards a Social Democracy. That's what Obama and some Democrats want. Many Democrats are against things in their own party but still vote party line. States are the only way I see to establish changes for us as the voting system for elections prevents minority messages at the Federal level. Change your state and the Federal Government will weaken. A necessity if this country is to avoid a revolution in the future. Texas is a good example of a state trying to establish and maintain our Constitutional rights. Let's hope it has influeneces on other states to implement Constitutional rights for citizens. I think the US Supreme court has to go, I don't think it speaks for our constitution, it's a political tool. Why should we follow it's decisions? I'd like it abolished completely and states to make their own decisions.

 

[D.ID]

All powers not specifically authorized within shall be relegated to the states and to the people.
necessary to the security of a free state............Shall not be infringed.
It seams to me we already fought and died for a solution to all these problems.
I suggest a 10% accost the board reduction in the fed gov. and in nine years we will talk about the true authorized powers of the intended limited fed gov. Yea...right

In ten years would you turn out lights if your the last one out.

 

[Greyfox]

This says it all. A Newtown CT resident to the CT panel.....Amen

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bCA3yqkMUI&feature=youtube_gdata_player]Bill Stevens Gun Violence Prevention Working Group Public Hearing - YouTube[/ame]

 

[bigbuck]

BIGBUCK, this is so true. It really is so hypocritical to talk about a crazy man killing children, and millions of lost lives from abortion. I honest to God can't feel 1 iota of trust for people who think it's okay for Abortion but we have a problem with guns? There is no way a Pro-choice person can be okay on Abortion and against people who own guns. I really don't get that. As far as I'm concerned we are a Republic, which is a form of Democracy whereby minority's have rights and the MAJORITY can't take them away. That's the essence of our constitution. Social Democracy's fail or turn into Fascist or Socialist or Communist regimes once Minority's get fed up. If Minority's get FED UP sorry for the pun, we may have to backtrack to the past. Maybe staying as territory's wasn't such a bad idea. I believe individual states and their Governor's need to start fighting the Federal Government. It already has too much power. And it will ruin America if we continue to move towards a Social Democracy. That's what Obama and some Democrats want. Many Democrats are against things in their own party but still vote party line. States are the only way I see to establish changes for us as the voting system for elections prevents minority messages at the Federal level. Change your state and the Federal Government will weaken. A necessity if this country is to avoid a revolution in the future. Texas is a good example of a state trying to establish and maintain our Constitutional rights. Let's hope it has influeneces on other states to implement Constitutional rights for citizens. I think the US Supreme court has to go, I don't think it speaks for our constitution, it's a political tool. Why should we follow it's decisions? I'd like it abolished completely and states to make their own decisions.

You said " I honest to God can't feel 1 iota of trust for people who think its okay for Abortion " +1

I agree with you 100% .
Glad to see not everyone has their head in the sand !

I would like to get on Nationel TV and tell the tree huggers "Don't preach to me about loss of life and then turn around and say Abortion is the mothers choice !!"
It's Murder plain and simple !

 

[bigbuck]

Flip your right. About the time line though, I'm not so sure. I'm not disputing anything you said at all. Just thinking about one thing that hasn't been mentioned. And that is that the number of young adults age 18 -25, are rising up and seeing whats happening, you can see this by the sheer numbers that have or are buying arms and ammo and learning to use it. Even 6 mo ago I could go to the range after work or in the morning in the middle of the week and have the whole place to myself, now not so much, there's ALWAYS a group of younger adults out there, one group leaves another shows up. While sometimes it can be a bit of a PIA, I'm glad to see em gettin ****ed, besides every now and again they bring tannerite.

I am glad to see the young adults buying firearms but the stupid college kids have greatly helped elect Obama . Whie running for his first term he pushed education (traveling to several colleges. I am not against education you can probably tell by my writing and spelling that I need more of it but there is such a thing as being educated above ones intelligance

What we need is a revival, a remembrance of what our country use to be and what it cost to get it that way. We need to go back to the old paths, that of our four fathers , we need to stop worring about what we say and who dont like it just stand for our freedom (while we have it) for our RIGHTS , stand up and say it! Look at martin luther king , Jesse jackson thay believed in what they said and voiced it abroad . Look at the GLB movement they are putting heat on the boy scouts a "private orginazation" they want to force their sodomite life style on the boy scouts . What a sad day in America when the boy scouts even consider voting whether or not Sodomites are allowed to join . I would never let my son join any orginazation that allowed that . AHHH I feel better now

My point is we have set back and kept quiet so long that now we have to get permission to voice our opinion but every thing else can ??

 

[etisll40]

I think we need a Bill Stevens in every debate in every meeting in every town, county, state and federal debate. He's simply correct in his views and we have been raised to know that. Our voices are not heard enough. Check your local area, state and federal platform to speak out like him. We can't leave this just up to the NRA.

 

[SidecarFlip]

I've watched the Bill SZtevens video many times. Problem is, the people he's addressing aren't listening. It's a formality with them like it is with Obama. A charade of democratic viewpoints all vaild, but no one is home...

Thats the point. This government is goin g to do what it **** well wants to, thats painfully obvious.

I still can't comprehend the gravity of the fact that the NRA is fighting to keep the Second Amendment and the Constitution intact. There is something wrong with a central government that can't operate as a democracy but then Obama and his ilk want totarian rule and have for a while now.

The Sandy Hook incident was just a springboard for Obama to speed up the process. Nothing more.

I will say again that considering the amount of ammunition purchased in the last 60 days and the firearms (of all kinds), people IMO, are preparing. Preparing for what, I'm not certain but it's not going to be pretty I suspect.

Lets just say again, I'm prepared for any eventuality.

I like the Cabelas pop up ad on this site for ammunition with the pile of ballistic tipped bullets..... They don't have any. Might as well pull the ad....lol

 

[prototype427]

Back on thread a bit....

The gun ban/legislation really has nothing to do with recent events other than it's a vehicle to advance Obama's intentions and thats to malign the Constitution and advance his agenda of a Socialist Totarian government.

You have to disarm the citizens to effectuate that. The citizens cannot be able to defend themselves against a tyranical government, excatly what Obama needs to accomplish.

Got a little preminition for you as well.... Obama will run for a third term, possibly a fourth and the population will support it because Obama is stacking the deck against the opposition by granting aliens citizennship for one and increasing entitlement for another.

He's 'buying' votes. He's not stupid, his handlers aren't either. If for some reason he decides not to pursue consecutive terms, he will or his handlers will offer up someone (possibly Obama's wife) to fill his shoes and advance the agenda that he's advancing presenttly.

The entitlement folks, the soon to be 'legalized' citizens, the union rank and file will join together to propel him into office for a 4th and 5th and possibly even more terms.

He will be hailed as the greatest president in the history of the United States and he will reshape this country into a Socialist Totarian state, much like Hugo Chavez has done. His title will be president but in reality he will be a dictator.

The central government will control everything and the sheeple (citizens will obey). The freedoms that you have enjoyied (likie the Second Amendment) will be gone.

We can postpone the inevitable but he will continue to chip away at what we hold dear, eventually achieving his goal and the sad thing is, the population in general will applaud his actions and hold him in high regard.

Like I said, it's a game of chess. We as patriots are on the offensive and he is the agressor. He's all about checkmate and he will aqchieve that goal, one way or another.

It's coming folks, have a good grip on your shorts...............

+1!! I agree with the exception of the 5th term, by then(3rd or 4th or maybe 5th) he will write an E.O. that will negate future Elections and will appoint himself either as Dictator or King!!.......I was kidding at first but now I think about itlightbulb......... he might actually try that.......

 

[SidecarFlip]

Not King. Chancellor. By then, the Constitution will be long gone. So will the your rights. You right will be a rite. The Rite to work for the state at a wage determined by the state. Entitlement will be gone too. Those that don't want to work will be systematically eliminated. We went through this one time before, long ago, under Teddy Roosevelt. Roosevelt was a Socialist and pursued the same path Obama is. Nothing new except that time, Americans weren't as dependent on the government as they are today, so Teddy couldn't quite 'seal the deal'. This time, it's different.

There will be a Congress and Senate but they will legislate laws that Obama endorses, no Republican party, no Democratic party, just Obama appointees.

Obamacare is socialist healthcare. When you remove the choice, and replace it with Government mandate, it's socialism.

It's an ongoing thing and the sheeple want it.... They want the government to wipe their butts and Obama will comply. You see, in a socialist-totarian state, the government gets a cut of everything.

Money is the root of all evil and Obama and his cabal will not only have wealth beyond imagination, they will have absolute power and control over the ditizens and the citizens will do what the government wants because they get their butts wiped and have no responsibility...except to the state.

Thats why Obama has made this 'right to bear arms' scenario a personal assault against the NRA. The NRA represents freedom of choice. Obama absolutely is against that.

BTW, the Internet and forums like this will be gone as well. They will be considered as operating against the wishes of the central government and made illegal. No Facebook, no twitter, no place for disidents to voice their opinions or congregate because it will be against the wishes of the government. Why do you think the media attacks the Republican party and the Tea Party and applauds everything the Obama administration does, why do you think The media never reports the rally's that the pro Second Amendment supporters have or anything related to freedom? Look who owns the media. Just folly the money trail.....

Pretty grim right?

Glad I'm an old fart. I won't be here to experience the misery. Sandy Hook was merely a tool for Obama and I still maintain that Sandy Hook could have very well been a staged military covert operation designed to advance his socialist agenda. We do it all the time in other countries, so why not here? Lives are cheap in Obama's opinion, to advance his agenda and make him wealthy beyond your imagination.

Just take a look at Chavez, or Fidel Castro. Thats what you have here, and now....

Better take a look around because it's happening right now.

 

[bigbuck]

"Obamacare is socialists healthcare" I agree 100%.

sidecarflip, you make mention of no forums like this and no place for people to voice their opinions . I believe that it could very well end up like this. I go to church and the modern day Obama and his followers cant stand a preacher to stand up and say " thus saith the Lord , Sodomy is wicked !!" They want our churches , It want be long if it keeps on the same path that church folk will have to meet in their houses just like the socialist countries ! All of this is the result of a decaying America .

What does Obama and those who follow his stinkin thinkin want ?

1. They want our 2nd Ammendment.
2. They want our free speach.
3. They want to name it "hate speach".
4.They want our rights.
5. They want our family's (by not allowing us to disiplen our children for fear of being thrown in jail )
6. They want everyone to be looked at as equality with Sodomites, Lesbians.
7. They want to rule us.
8.They want us to depend upon them.
9.They wand to dictate.
10. They want our guns (All Guns)
11. They want our churches. (How would our four fathers feel about this , they were Godly men , patriotic men !
Just a few mantioned here but I am sure anyone could find something that was listed worth FIGHTING For !!
Forgot one 12. They dont want us homeschooling our children Why? because that is one of the ways they brain wash each generation . I know alote of good people enroll their children in public school systems but their is alote of bad things being taught today in our public schools. One example is in a near by school all of the boys were not allowed to wear a ball cap but when a muslim family moved into town the muslim boy wore his towel on his head (must have forgot to take it off after he took a shower) Anyways it caused a big stink. One of the boys jerked the towel off of his head while walking down the hall and it was said he went ballistic floped down in the floor kicking and screaming like a little baby .