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Is Blue Printing an Action important?
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<blockquote data-quote="Coyboy" data-source="post: 452057" data-attributes="member: 3733"><p>I think most smiths who actually do a complete critical surface refinishing; bolt face, nose, lugs, Reciever threads, face, lug abutments. Would tell you that what you are doing is eliminating a source of a potential problem spots with the reciever.</p><p></p><p>Take a few surfaces that don't mate up correctly and they can multiply into a rifle that has accuracy issues, which causes customer complaints. I recomend to my customers that the action be blueprinted for top reapeatable accuracy. I do not get into bushing bolts/ sleeving bodies, because after the basic $165 blueprinting package, I feel that on your LR hunting rifle you have an acceptable platform for LR and hunting.</p><p></p><p>I just had a very expensive remington come in the shop for 3 barrel set-up, bushed pin hole, sleeved bolt double pinned lug, tac handle, and full BP. The customer said he had $900 into that action. WHY?, buy a quality custom sell the remy and be money ahead.</p><p></p><p>Don't get me wrong a remy will make a great rifle, I just don't see the need in getting to carried away with the amount of work to them. </p><p></p><p>Of the 50+or so remingtons I have done in the last 2 years, 5 were when the customer insisted on just a skim cut and lap, because so and so said thats all you need, fine I won't argue with someone who listens to the computer jockys over the smith. These guns for the most part shot very well, one customer reports unexplained fliers, go figure. If he chooses to send it back it will get the full BP and a barrel set back. And there lies the problem, do I think it is his ability/loads/scope; or the lack of a blueprint. Sounds like a trouble shooting bitch. If that rifle was BP in the first place that is one variable I could eliminate immediatly. (On a side note small bolt head cartriges like the 223 and 204, tend to do really well regardless if it was just a skim and lap or BP, less bolt thrust/vibrations with the little inherently accurate rounds.) </p><p></p><p>THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, when finding a smith who will print your action is to ask if it will be single point recut, or done with the " remington reamer and .010" oversized tap." If he is using the tap he is not much of a machinist, and the quality is definatly second rate and not worth $150. I single point trued an action that was reamed and tapped and the tap followed the old threads to the extent that they were still out enough that I took another .008" of material out to true them properly. It's easy to spot an action trued this way, I see it all the time even on this site, some one post pics of there purdy action BP and you can see where the reamer that cuts the lug abutments, also opened up the cylinder of the action betwen the threads and the abutments. It is always a dead give away. And shows a second rate smith is attempting "precision machining" </p><p></p><p>Independent of the method used, the end quality is largly dependent on the skillfull set-up/attention used by the smith performing the work.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Coyboy, post: 452057, member: 3733"] I think most smiths who actually do a complete critical surface refinishing; bolt face, nose, lugs, Reciever threads, face, lug abutments. Would tell you that what you are doing is eliminating a source of a potential problem spots with the reciever. Take a few surfaces that don't mate up correctly and they can multiply into a rifle that has accuracy issues, which causes customer complaints. I recomend to my customers that the action be blueprinted for top reapeatable accuracy. I do not get into bushing bolts/ sleeving bodies, because after the basic $165 blueprinting package, I feel that on your LR hunting rifle you have an acceptable platform for LR and hunting. I just had a very expensive remington come in the shop for 3 barrel set-up, bushed pin hole, sleeved bolt double pinned lug, tac handle, and full BP. The customer said he had $900 into that action. WHY?, buy a quality custom sell the remy and be money ahead. Don't get me wrong a remy will make a great rifle, I just don't see the need in getting to carried away with the amount of work to them. Of the 50+or so remingtons I have done in the last 2 years, 5 were when the customer insisted on just a skim cut and lap, because so and so said thats all you need, fine I won't argue with someone who listens to the computer jockys over the smith. These guns for the most part shot very well, one customer reports unexplained fliers, go figure. If he chooses to send it back it will get the full BP and a barrel set back. And there lies the problem, do I think it is his ability/loads/scope; or the lack of a blueprint. Sounds like a trouble shooting bitch. If that rifle was BP in the first place that is one variable I could eliminate immediatly. (On a side note small bolt head cartriges like the 223 and 204, tend to do really well regardless if it was just a skim and lap or BP, less bolt thrust/vibrations with the little inherently accurate rounds.) THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, when finding a smith who will print your action is to ask if it will be single point recut, or done with the " remington reamer and .010" oversized tap." If he is using the tap he is not much of a machinist, and the quality is definatly second rate and not worth $150. I single point trued an action that was reamed and tapped and the tap followed the old threads to the extent that they were still out enough that I took another .008" of material out to true them properly. It's easy to spot an action trued this way, I see it all the time even on this site, some one post pics of there purdy action BP and you can see where the reamer that cuts the lug abutments, also opened up the cylinder of the action betwen the threads and the abutments. It is always a dead give away. And shows a second rate smith is attempting "precision machining" Independent of the method used, the end quality is largly dependent on the skillfull set-up/attention used by the smith performing the work. [/QUOTE]
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