I was nosing around the Berger Bullets website. I noticed that they actually recommend their VLD bullets for hunting and to boot they offer a free dvd with info pertaining to this. Well they sent me the dvd and to my surprise they had tons of game kills on it and at 1000+ yards ranges. What the best of the west people do not tell you on their first dvd is that that is all they use on their long shots. Pretty nice dvd of long and fairly short range shots. Most kills are made with 168 7mm vld 7mm rem mag and STW ang some with 300 mag with the 168 vld, and some others. Order it , it is free and enjoy.