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<blockquote data-quote="yobuck" data-source="post: 234176" data-attributes="member: 12443"><p>bravoemike. </p><p> </p><p>no doubt the long range shooting sport has revolutionized the industry. there are scopes ive never even heard of. </p><p>without sites like this, it would be impossible for most of us to keep pace. certainly the products are superior to what was available even 10 years ago.</p><p> its almost mind boggeling. </p><p>for those just starting out, im sure it is. </p><p>the tennacy seems to be, buy the best, that way you cant go wrong. </p><p>the truth about optics is that on a nice day, many of them will look good. on a bad dreary dark day, the best will outshine the others. </p><p>but the argument can be made, that on those days, not much long range hunting is done anyway. </p><p>now i just know that statement will raise eyebrows. </p><p>i would rather see a young guy buy a gun and scope he can afford now, and may outgrow later. main thing is to get involved, do it, learn from your own experience, gain confidence, form your own opinions as to whats best for you.</p><p>the lesser expensive outfits today are head and shoulders better than we had 40 years ago. </p><p>savage for example, is building affordable rifles that would have set new records not many years back at 1000 yd. matches. </p><p>dont be too proud to own one, if thats your budget. </p><p>a dead deer wont ask what your equiptment was. </p><p> </p><p>now mike, i will tell you a little story about the harts. </p><p>in the early 70s, i thought i was ready to graduate from a 300 win mag sporter, to a heavy bench rifle. the 6.5x300 wby. was still the king in pa. the 7x300 wby. was closing fast, as hornady had introduced the 162 match bullet. (there were very few decent bullets back then)</p><p> there were really only 2 gunsmiths with a reputation for building these guns in pa. at that time. then all of a sudden 1 of them up and died. that being al hoyer. i had never met him. </p><p>i went to howard wolfe and had an immediate good feeling about him. we talked about actions, he gave me 4 options. a pre 64 mod.70, any 700 series rem., a sako, or a rem. or win. enfield. later i called and asked about a hart custom action. he said that would make a fine bench gun. i ordered a #4 action and a 30" 1'250 barrel from hart. when i picked it up at harts shop several months later, wally hart was there. as per usual, there were a few guys hanging out b.s.ing. wally got my barrel and action, and then proceeded to ask what i was going to do with it. why werent they going to chamber it. when i told him what i was going to do with it, he really went off on me. some day one of you guys are going to blow your bleeping head off, and on and on. dont ever bring that back here for any repairs. i could have walked out under the door without opening it. i was so shook, i called howard and said hey look, my boys will be using this thing. he reassured me, and we went foward. today of coarse thats all changed. im sure young bob is largly responsible for that. but thats a sample of what things were like back then. you were on your own bub, all you could do is keep adding powder untill the gun told you to stop. there were no books to look at. there was a small network of guys to share with, and learn from. im very fortunate to have made some very good aquaintances, who became friends. mentors if you will. certainly the williamsport club was very instrumental in those days. but they were considered kooks by the benchrest community as a whole. ive never been a competetor, at least not seriously. but those who were, and are, are responsible for the choices you have today.</p><p> </p><p> p.s. i put a unertle scope on it. loopy, snoopy, and the alphabet soup, werent much help back then. now dont get me started on all those other gadgets.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="yobuck, post: 234176, member: 12443"] bravoemike. no doubt the long range shooting sport has revolutionized the industry. there are scopes ive never even heard of. without sites like this, it would be impossible for most of us to keep pace. certainly the products are superior to what was available even 10 years ago. its almost mind boggeling. for those just starting out, im sure it is. the tennacy seems to be, buy the best, that way you cant go wrong. the truth about optics is that on a nice day, many of them will look good. on a bad dreary dark day, the best will outshine the others. but the argument can be made, that on those days, not much long range hunting is done anyway. now i just know that statement will raise eyebrows. i would rather see a young guy buy a gun and scope he can afford now, and may outgrow later. main thing is to get involved, do it, learn from your own experience, gain confidence, form your own opinions as to whats best for you. the lesser expensive outfits today are head and shoulders better than we had 40 years ago. savage for example, is building affordable rifles that would have set new records not many years back at 1000 yd. matches. dont be too proud to own one, if thats your budget. a dead deer wont ask what your equiptment was. now mike, i will tell you a little story about the harts. in the early 70s, i thought i was ready to graduate from a 300 win mag sporter, to a heavy bench rifle. the 6.5x300 wby. was still the king in pa. the 7x300 wby. was closing fast, as hornady had introduced the 162 match bullet. (there were very few decent bullets back then) there were really only 2 gunsmiths with a reputation for building these guns in pa. at that time. then all of a sudden 1 of them up and died. that being al hoyer. i had never met him. i went to howard wolfe and had an immediate good feeling about him. we talked about actions, he gave me 4 options. a pre 64 mod.70, any 700 series rem., a sako, or a rem. or win. enfield. later i called and asked about a hart custom action. he said that would make a fine bench gun. i ordered a #4 action and a 30" 1'250 barrel from hart. when i picked it up at harts shop several months later, wally hart was there. as per usual, there were a few guys hanging out b.s.ing. wally got my barrel and action, and then proceeded to ask what i was going to do with it. why werent they going to chamber it. when i told him what i was going to do with it, he really went off on me. some day one of you guys are going to blow your bleeping head off, and on and on. dont ever bring that back here for any repairs. i could have walked out under the door without opening it. i was so shook, i called howard and said hey look, my boys will be using this thing. he reassured me, and we went foward. today of coarse thats all changed. im sure young bob is largly responsible for that. but thats a sample of what things were like back then. you were on your own bub, all you could do is keep adding powder untill the gun told you to stop. there were no books to look at. there was a small network of guys to share with, and learn from. im very fortunate to have made some very good aquaintances, who became friends. mentors if you will. certainly the williamsport club was very instrumental in those days. but they were considered kooks by the benchrest community as a whole. ive never been a competetor, at least not seriously. but those who were, and are, are responsible for the choices you have today. p.s. i put a unertle scope on it. loopy, snoopy, and the alphabet soup, werent much help back then. now dont get me started on all those other gadgets. [/QUOTE]
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