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I need some help with die choices
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<blockquote data-quote="boomtube" data-source="post: 477866" data-attributes="member: 9215"><p>"I'm not chasing perfection and I don't want to spend exponentially more money to obtain that last frog hair's worth of improvement in accuracy."</p><p> </p><p>That's an intelligent position but your quest seems to be running counter to that. Unless you actually have a known reason to discard your present dies it's unlikely you would ever see any certain average improvement using the BR tools compaired to what you can obtain with any brand of common dies and presses. You don't mention your current groups but it's REALLY hard to see the small group reductions that meticulous reloading tools and methods can produce if the rifle is a heavy kicker that needs thousands of rounds of practice to learn to control.</p><p> </p><p>There certainly isn't any positive and automatic correlation between costs and average accuracy of seating between the Forster and Redding; Reddings are prettier and that's about it but some people are willing to pay for that. Both seaters have an excellant "full body and bullet" straight line sleeve that aligns them before seating starts. They CAN be counted on to produce low runout IF your case necks are good, BUT conventional dies are really quite good so any concentricity improvement will be luck of the draw more than price. (Neither the very costly RCBS or Hornady New Dimension "comp" short sliding seater sleeves are any better than conventional seaters so far as average concentricity goes.)</p><p> </p><p>A micrometer seater die head is kool and does make it easier to change OAL a given amount, but that's all. It sure doessn't add anything to accuracy. Redding simply copied Forster's seater after their patent ran out, so they are basically the same if that helps. </p><p> </p><p>A bushing neck sizing die is most helpful in minimising working of the neck, less so for accuracy. How well it works depends more on the users skill than the device itself. Most people seem to want far too much "bullet tension". Lowest bullet runout normally happens when the neck is only about 1 thou smaller than the bullet to be used.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="boomtube, post: 477866, member: 9215"] "I'm not chasing perfection and I don't want to spend exponentially more money to obtain that last frog hair's worth of improvement in accuracy." That's an intelligent position but your quest seems to be running counter to that. Unless you actually have a known reason to discard your present dies it's unlikely you would ever see any certain average improvement using the BR tools compaired to what you can obtain with any brand of common dies and presses. You don't mention your current groups but it's REALLY hard to see the small group reductions that meticulous reloading tools and methods can produce if the rifle is a heavy kicker that needs thousands of rounds of practice to learn to control. There certainly isn't any positive and automatic correlation between costs and average accuracy of seating between the Forster and Redding; Reddings are prettier and that's about it but some people are willing to pay for that. Both seaters have an excellant "full body and bullet" straight line sleeve that aligns them before seating starts. They CAN be counted on to produce low runout IF your case necks are good, BUT conventional dies are really quite good so any concentricity improvement will be luck of the draw more than price. (Neither the very costly RCBS or Hornady New Dimension "comp" short sliding seater sleeves are any better than conventional seaters so far as average concentricity goes.) A micrometer seater die head is kool and does make it easier to change OAL a given amount, but that's all. It sure doessn't add anything to accuracy. Redding simply copied Forster's seater after their patent ran out, so they are basically the same if that helps. A bushing neck sizing die is most helpful in minimising working of the neck, less so for accuracy. How well it works depends more on the users skill than the device itself. Most people seem to want far too much "bullet tension". Lowest bullet runout normally happens when the neck is only about 1 thou smaller than the bullet to be used. [/QUOTE]
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