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Hydrostatic shock, what's your opinion?
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<blockquote data-quote="MontanaRifleman" data-source="post: 340711" data-attributes="member: 11717"><p>Bleeding would be a big clue. Instant death would mean the heart would stop beating with very little blood. I'm not a doctor, but it's apparant that in some cases spine damage will lead to paralysis while the heart still beats.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Based on my own experiences as well as what I hear and read I would say that there is a lot of similarity between killing and animal with a bullet and an arrow. In most cases, a gun shot animal bleeds to death just the same as an arrow shot animal. It will usually take anywhere from a few seconds to a few minutes.</p><p> </p><p>I think in some cases, shock can contribute to the kill by rendering the animal unconscious or cause cardiac arrest or stroke. But in most cases it's hemoraging that kills the animal.</p><p> </p><p>Almost all organs are vital to life. So why do we call the heart, lungs and liver the vitals in hunting terms and not the stomach and intestines? Because shots to the stomach and intestines result in very slow death while shots to the heart, lungs and liver result in much quicker deaths. if you shoot an animal in the gut, it will almost certainly linger for a long time. The reasonis because it's bleeding very little. The only case I've heard of an animal being dropped DRT with a gut shot is shooters report. Maybe in that case the shock caused cardiac arrest or or a stroke. But other than that, I have never heard of such a thing. It's a well known fact that gut shot animals need to be finished off and sometimes will run for along way.</p><p> </p><p>This is a good discussion and I've changed my thinking on the subject a little. But overall, from personal experience, I see animals dying from catastrophic wounds in vital areas which lead to a lot of blood loss. And BTW, you dont necessarily need a lot of blood loss to reduce blood pressure to the brain. I have seen some animals go down very quick, and I have seen others take a lot of shock.</p><p> </p><p>I will say that hydraulic shock can be a factor in killing game but that it is a somewhat rare occurance and nearly impossible to predict. And at long range, it becomes less of a factor. You will get very little shock value from bullets impacting at lower velocities.</p><p> </p><p>My primary strategy will be to use a controlled expasion bullet placed into the "vitals". I freely admit that Berger type bullets will often do a much quicker job because of the massive cavitation they cause. But I feel more secure with the controlled expansion bullet for the less than ideal shot that may arise requirng a lot more penetration than the standard boiler room shot, as well as less meat damge.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MontanaRifleman, post: 340711, member: 11717"] Bleeding would be a big clue. Instant death would mean the heart would stop beating with very little blood. I'm not a doctor, but it's apparant that in some cases spine damage will lead to paralysis while the heart still beats. Based on my own experiences as well as what I hear and read I would say that there is a lot of similarity between killing and animal with a bullet and an arrow. In most cases, a gun shot animal bleeds to death just the same as an arrow shot animal. It will usually take anywhere from a few seconds to a few minutes. I think in some cases, shock can contribute to the kill by rendering the animal unconscious or cause cardiac arrest or stroke. But in most cases it's hemoraging that kills the animal. Almost all organs are vital to life. So why do we call the heart, lungs and liver the vitals in hunting terms and not the stomach and intestines? Because shots to the stomach and intestines result in very slow death while shots to the heart, lungs and liver result in much quicker deaths. if you shoot an animal in the gut, it will almost certainly linger for a long time. The reasonis because it's bleeding very little. The only case I've heard of an animal being dropped DRT with a gut shot is shooters report. Maybe in that case the shock caused cardiac arrest or or a stroke. But other than that, I have never heard of such a thing. It's a well known fact that gut shot animals need to be finished off and sometimes will run for along way. This is a good discussion and I've changed my thinking on the subject a little. But overall, from personal experience, I see animals dying from catastrophic wounds in vital areas which lead to a lot of blood loss. And BTW, you dont necessarily need a lot of blood loss to reduce blood pressure to the brain. I have seen some animals go down very quick, and I have seen others take a lot of shock. I will say that hydraulic shock can be a factor in killing game but that it is a somewhat rare occurance and nearly impossible to predict. And at long range, it becomes less of a factor. You will get very little shock value from bullets impacting at lower velocities. My primary strategy will be to use a controlled expasion bullet placed into the "vitals". I freely admit that Berger type bullets will often do a much quicker job because of the massive cavitation they cause. But I feel more secure with the controlled expansion bullet for the less than ideal shot that may arise requirng a lot more penetration than the standard boiler room shot, as well as less meat damge. [/QUOTE]
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