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<blockquote data-quote="bigngreen" data-source="post: 340599" data-attributes="member: 13632"><p>I think there is a lot of game that drops to the shock of the hit, especially if you hit a heavy bone but then the actual cause of death is the damage to arteries or collapsed and shredded lungs. I think the high shoulder shot on an elk is an excellent example, shooting an elk through the shoulder will not kill them unless you trash the dorsal vein under the spine, the shock of the bullet hitting the shoulder and the shock wave under the spine drops them and people think they were dead before they hit the dirt when in fact they are knocked out and then bleed to death. </p><p>This exact thing happened to a cow elk I shot last year, I was yet again attempting the high shoulder shot and at the shot she dropped just like in the videos, her legs came up to her chest and she bounced of the ground, legs went straight out quivering. I though I had finally hit the spot, after about five minutes we ran over and wacked another cow out of the herd, so half an hour later we look over there and her head is up, so I get out there and sure enough she was still ticking so I take care of it and start checking out what happened, the shot went low and hit the heavy leg bone just in front of the heart, then the 168gr TSX turned straight forward exiting out the front of her leg, I shot her with her head down feeding and the bullet had just enough poop left to go into the neck and cut one of the main atteries. Point being, that hit was 18in from a CNS hit but it had the exact same effect and did not enter the rib cage. I got lucky and I think this is what happen in the field when super hero drops an elk but can't find it, they knock it out but don't do enough damage to the dorsal vein or the top of the lungs to kill and the animal comes to and takes of. </p><p>The way the Berger works is real good for this kind of shot as the bullet blows up and directly affects the lungs and dorsal vein more than a controlled expantion bullet, so they drop to the shock to the CNS but stay dead due to bullet fragments blowing up lungs and arteries.</p><p> The elk I shot this year with a Berger through the heart showed not evidence of hydraulic shock, the only damage to the heart and lungs where from bullet and bone fragments, there was no brusing on the lungs or tears in them, just shredded holes.</p><p>I think the best way to get it done is with a shot that directly effects the delivery of blood or oxygen to the brain, relying on the CNS being effected enough to kill the animal is not a sure enough deal unless the bullet directly interacts with the CNS, either forward spine or brain. </p><p>Wow, I kinda got carried away.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bigngreen, post: 340599, member: 13632"] I think there is a lot of game that drops to the shock of the hit, especially if you hit a heavy bone but then the actual cause of death is the damage to arteries or collapsed and shredded lungs. I think the high shoulder shot on an elk is an excellent example, shooting an elk through the shoulder will not kill them unless you trash the dorsal vein under the spine, the shock of the bullet hitting the shoulder and the shock wave under the spine drops them and people think they were dead before they hit the dirt when in fact they are knocked out and then bleed to death. This exact thing happened to a cow elk I shot last year, I was yet again attempting the high shoulder shot and at the shot she dropped just like in the videos, her legs came up to her chest and she bounced of the ground, legs went straight out quivering. I though I had finally hit the spot, after about five minutes we ran over and wacked another cow out of the herd, so half an hour later we look over there and her head is up, so I get out there and sure enough she was still ticking so I take care of it and start checking out what happened, the shot went low and hit the heavy leg bone just in front of the heart, then the 168gr TSX turned straight forward exiting out the front of her leg, I shot her with her head down feeding and the bullet had just enough poop left to go into the neck and cut one of the main atteries. Point being, that hit was 18in from a CNS hit but it had the exact same effect and did not enter the rib cage. I got lucky and I think this is what happen in the field when super hero drops an elk but can't find it, they knock it out but don't do enough damage to the dorsal vein or the top of the lungs to kill and the animal comes to and takes of. The way the Berger works is real good for this kind of shot as the bullet blows up and directly affects the lungs and dorsal vein more than a controlled expantion bullet, so they drop to the shock to the CNS but stay dead due to bullet fragments blowing up lungs and arteries. The elk I shot this year with a Berger through the heart showed not evidence of hydraulic shock, the only damage to the heart and lungs where from bullet and bone fragments, there was no brusing on the lungs or tears in them, just shredded holes. I think the best way to get it done is with a shot that directly effects the delivery of blood or oxygen to the brain, relying on the CNS being effected enough to kill the animal is not a sure enough deal unless the bullet directly interacts with the CNS, either forward spine or brain. Wow, I kinda got carried away.:rolleyes: [/QUOTE]
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