$$ Hunting Trips

Discussion in 'Deer Hunting' started by slim09, Jul 3, 2013.

  1. slim09

    slim09 Well-Known Member

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    Just curious with all the hating going on with PAID hunting trips how may of you guys have ever PAID to go on a hunting trip (high fence)?

    in your mind why is paying to go on a hunt (high fence), so different than using trail cams or some sort of feed to lure whatever animal in you are hunting?

    For me i don't hate on anyone really if that particular hunt makes the hunter happy then we should all be happy for them, right?
     
  2. HARPERC

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    I've been on a couple of "canned" shoots. You just have to be clear what you're doing. We don't have a lot of opportunity here. Shooting a big hog is a great bullet testing opportunity. I told my partner's son get good grades, and I'll pay for a hog to shoot, his grades improved. They make a good controlled situation for beginners. All kinds of variations, buffalo, meat and a hide can be worth it. Some can be as easy or hard as you like. Like anything else if it works for you fine, just don't BS yourself or others. Someplaces can be set up for long range, and could be a good trial to see how ready you really are before you try to fill a hard draw tag.
     

  3. slim09

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    You couldn't have made a better statement than "Like anything else if it works for you fine, just don't BS yourself or others".

    I definitely don't BS myself or others for that matter, i know exactly what i am doing when i go somewhere like the Sanctuary. In most cases (i.e. like myself) the people i have met on "canned" hunts so to speak are more there for the commodore with fellow hunters than they are for the deer they are going to smoke.

    All that being said i have a 10,000 acre lease (low fence) that myself and my little bro have patterned the deer so well that either one of us could get someone on a 150'+ deer in no time at all thanks to trail cams and feeders, so i have a hard time understanding the difference between all the gadgets we have and a high fence.

    B EZ
     
  4. trebark

    trebark Well-Known Member

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    There's a forum member (can't remember his screenname) who's signature line is: "high fence, low fence, stuck in the fence, if I can tag it, it's hunting!"
     
  5. Broz

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    That's BignGreen's here is the copy and paste.

    "High Fence, Low Fence, Stuck in the Fence, if I can Tag it and Eat it, it's Hunting!"


    I don't have issues with canned hunts. But it is just not for me personally. I don't care what others do, go for it if it works for you.

    I guess I view it as easier to obtain large trophy animals, that probably would not have grow to their current size in the wild. I have never taken a high fenced animal, but have spent a good deal of time chasing trophies in the wild. So it does rub me a little raw I guess when they are compared to trophies take out side. I just see it as two different types of hunts and not on the same scale of achievement.

    That's as honest of an answer as I can give. Nothing personal, just how my gut sees it.

    Jeff
     
  6. slim09

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    Personally i don't care about the records books, my record book is if I'm happy with what i took. It's more of the experience i have on each hunt that is the real trophy for me whether I'm high fence hunting or not.

    As far as comparing the trophies in record books everyone knows P&Y and B&C don't take game/high fence animals. SCI has different categories for high fence versus non which are estate records and non estate (Cant remember if that is exactly what they call it but you get my drift). So in the record books anyway they are not be compared....

    There is no question that you cannot that comparing high fence versus low fence animals, since typically high fence will be much bigger if the land owner has a good supplement program and manage the herd correctly.

    As i have stated before i have a high fence on my ranch (2,000+ acres) but the whole reasoning behind it was to let our deer herd mature before being whacked. Prior to the high fence we had multiple deer that my family would pass on (150+ deer) due to the maturity of the deer, the next week you would hear people at the local Town and Country talking up the 150" 3 year old they killed. Since i don't nor does anyone in my family care about the record books, we decided it would be better to high fence our place and let the deer mature to a minimum of 5 years old before being taken (not counting culls).
     
  7. Broz

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    For the record I don't do record books either. I have some on my wall that qualify but never have attempted to register one. Doubt I ever will. When I owned farms in Iowa we had no high fences, yet we let smaller 140" and down walk. Unless we invited a young hunter for their first buck. We had less land than you do and we left a bedding area we deemed as "no mans land" No one was allowed in there, it was a place for the deer to stay and not be disturbed. We had our choice of nice bucks every year after we had owned the land four years.

    It is just a personal way of looking at things. To me they are either free range animals or not. Like I said, to each his own, but I will always be more interested in game that was not fenced. It's just my personal choice. As is yours to fence and "manage your herd"

    Thanks! and have a good upcoming season.
    Jeff
     
  8. slim09

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    Broz,

    If i had neighbors like yours i would have never fenced my place either, it would be great if more Texans had your train of thought on letting deer walk.
     
  9. 300 ultra

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    You should of mentioned in your story that it was a high fence hunt from the start and you would of got less slack. I forgive you though because your Mom is hot..gun)
     
  10. slim09

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    Note taken for future post!!
     
  11. Broz

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    Oh you should have known some of the local trash I lived near. They drove up and down the road by my place with barrels out the window looking to kill and grab one quick. I was reported to the police and the game warden, and got a visit from them both. A neighbor crack head reported I shot the hat off his head to run him off as he was tracking a wounded buck. Then I reportedly took the buck for myself. Local channel 13 reported it too. I told the authorities that was ridiculous, I was a better shot than that. Problem was I was out of the state the day it happened. This all started when I caught them on our land and ran them off with a warning. Then it accelerated when my son put some knots on his kids face on the school bus. LOL, bus driver told me personally he took his sweet time pulling over to break it up as my son was doing a fine job and was just in doing so.

    Oh well, bottom line was you give the deer a comfort zone and they will be there and keep coming back. All they want is food, water and a safe place to rest.

    Sorry for getting off track.. back to your original discussion.

    Jeff
     
  12. HARPERC

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    Here's where it can be interesting where the lines are drawn. One can hunt large well managed properties with normal or no fences, that certainly won't be the same level of difficulty as the folks without access on the public ground surrounding it. I've hunted a 60,000 acre ranch in Alberta, and a 100,000 acre ranch in Wyoming. I considered them "fair chase" hunts, some of the DIY guys might disagree. I've had easy hunts, and brutal hunts. The difference between hunting Roosevelt Elk on the coast vs Elk in Wyoming I'm not sure can even be compared. However, within the situation a person can still find ways to challenge themselves. Broz mentioned the young hunter with his first buck, which is where all the good stuff is, this one is a challenge as it was first, now its up that hunter and mentor to up the stakes so it remains challenging in one form or another. Maybe its the difference in well managed areas you will more likely shoot "A" buck where in some high fence operations you pick "THE" buck. I had a grizzly tag in BC, I took a full pack fall, and walking was no longer an option. We cruised clear cuts and glassed, but no bear. We bumped into a native whose fishing camp had problems. It was the season end so they buckled everything down and left, but they were clear they wouldn't mind not seeing this particular bear again. We looked it over and no bear. Here's the question, if that bear had been coming out of a cabin with a Twinkie in his mouth would that diminish the story or make it better. Me I could have the taxidermist cover the head with powdered sugar and still be tickled looking at it today.
     
  13. HighKnob

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    IMO there's nothing that compares with public land hunting for trophy game. Man it's a challenge. 130-150 is tops in our WT area we hunt, but we manage to take at least one of those each year and some years a bit better. Nothing against anyone hunting any way, just what I like though.
     
  14. Tikkamike

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    my problem with it is the deer cant leave if its high fence so its not nearly as cool as when someone kills a monster on public land. But I dont care what you or anyone else does either. I certainly dont hold another guys 220" high fence in a higher reguard than my 165" public land whitetail. But to each his own...and yes Mrs. Welker if you are reading this you are crazy hot