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How to reduce bullet runout?
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<blockquote data-quote="boomtube" data-source="post: 236136" data-attributes="member: 9215"><p>Guy - Great. I assumed too much when you said you had a "Savage ...etc.", thinking you simply had a factory Savage. You don't! You have a much more advanced rifle based on a Savage, not a Savage as such! </p><p> </p><p>I'm sure your groups got "tighter" with the BR methods. But Hoss seems to want to know just how much tighter. Actually, I'd like to know too! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p> </p><p>----------------------</p><p> </p><p>Hoss - you are putting words in my mouth and that ain't sanitary. </p><p> </p><p>I made no mention of seating dies cut with rougher reamers. But you should know that some custom gun makers do cut sizers with the roughing reamers they have chambered the rifle with. I might have elaborated more to keep you from being confused I guess but I wasn't trying to present a treatise on precision handloading, per se, just addressing a side issue of the OP's quesion. You might wish to read "Precision Shoooting - Reloading Guide", "The Accurate Rifle" and "Reloading for Competition" for that.</p><p> </p><p>Weeds or no weeds, you should understand that "roughing" reamers are not rough. Roughers are as well made as finish reamers, just ground to slighly smaller dimensions. Roughers do most of the chamber work so the finisher can better clean up the final cuts, for either die or rifle.</p><p> </p><p>Off-the-shelf sizers and seaters, by Wilson or anyone else, are cut to SAAMI specs which means they may not be a perfect match to the rifle. Those sizers made by a good smith using the rougher WILL be a perfect match.</p><p> </p><p>Speaking of weeds, is it your understanding that hand dies, those used in arbor presses, use shell holders to pull cases from the dies? If so, you are incorrect. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></p><p> </p><p>As I stated, it is my BELIEF that the Lee Collet Neck die is superior to all conventional neck dies. That was given as a personal observation and not as a statistical or mechanical fact. I based that statement on the concentricity measurements I've made using several conventional neck sizers from RCBS, Redding and Forster compared to the Lee die when used in four cartridges. The average concentricity, from the same cases, improved by some 30-40%. Is it your belief that I am wrong, and, if so, what do you suggest is superior to the Lee neck sizer? And, to use your own question, what data do you have to support your opinion?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="boomtube, post: 236136, member: 9215"] Guy - Great. I assumed too much when you said you had a "Savage ...etc.", thinking you simply had a factory Savage. You don't! You have a much more advanced rifle based on a Savage, not a Savage as such! I'm sure your groups got "tighter" with the BR methods. But Hoss seems to want to know just how much tighter. Actually, I'd like to know too! :) ---------------------- Hoss - you are putting words in my mouth and that ain't sanitary. I made no mention of seating dies cut with rougher reamers. But you should know that some custom gun makers do cut sizers with the roughing reamers they have chambered the rifle with. I might have elaborated more to keep you from being confused I guess but I wasn't trying to present a treatise on precision handloading, per se, just addressing a side issue of the OP's quesion. You might wish to read "Precision Shoooting - Reloading Guide", "The Accurate Rifle" and "Reloading for Competition" for that. Weeds or no weeds, you should understand that "roughing" reamers are not rough. Roughers are as well made as finish reamers, just ground to slighly smaller dimensions. Roughers do most of the chamber work so the finisher can better clean up the final cuts, for either die or rifle. Off-the-shelf sizers and seaters, by Wilson or anyone else, are cut to SAAMI specs which means they may not be a perfect match to the rifle. Those sizers made by a good smith using the rougher WILL be a perfect match. Speaking of weeds, is it your understanding that hand dies, those used in arbor presses, use shell holders to pull cases from the dies? If so, you are incorrect. :rolleyes: As I stated, it is my BELIEF that the Lee Collet Neck die is superior to all conventional neck dies. That was given as a personal observation and not as a statistical or mechanical fact. I based that statement on the concentricity measurements I've made using several conventional neck sizers from RCBS, Redding and Forster compared to the Lee die when used in four cartridges. The average concentricity, from the same cases, improved by some 30-40%. Is it your belief that I am wrong, and, if so, what do you suggest is superior to the Lee neck sizer? And, to use your own question, what data do you have to support your opinion? [/QUOTE]
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