How i Test Ballistic Coefficients-Matrix 175gr

Discussion in 'Extreme Long Range Hunting & Shooting (ELR)' started by MuleHunter, Jun 20, 2012.

  1. MuleHunter

    MuleHunter Well-Known Member

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    I have had time to do some extensive testing now with the Matrix .277 cal 175gr VLD. Here is my rifle info, how i determined bc, and the final results.

    THE RIFLE

    BAT Action.
    27" 5-R Rifled 1-9 twist Benchmark barrel.
    270 WSM .180" freebore, .310 neck.
    Norma brass seperated by weight and match prepped.
    Bullets seperated by Ogive. 2.265" BTO (-.020").
    65.8gr H-1000. (very hot)
    2,990fps Avg MV, ES 13, SD 5 (Veryfied by two chronographs)
    Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x50 NPR1 .25 moa

    THE PROCESS

    I measured out a perfect 100yd distance target using a 300ft tape measure.
    My reticle is set dead level by using a vice at the range. I use a level to set the action perfectly level on the vice.
    I set up a plumb bob at 100yds.
    With the rifle dead level, i level the reticle with the plumb bob down range. Once the rings are tight and i am confident the scope is level with the rifle, i install and level the anti cant device.
    I shoot 3 shot groups at the measured hundred yard target, first to zero, then i dial up 20 moa and shoot another 3, then up 40 moa and shoot the last 3. I measure the distance between the groups
    with the reticle and then a tape measure to make sure my rifle is tracking level and accurately.

    I used the Gseven ballistic engine and the Shooter ballistic engine to verify the data because they agree with each other perfectly. I used the same target board and backed up for each extended distance.
    Knowing that i have a sub 1/4 minute load, perfect 100yd zero, and a scope that tracks perfectly, i feel confident in the measured results. Ranges were measured with a Gseven BR2 Rangefinder 3 times each for
    accuracy. The target was a large 4'x4' pylwood stand covered in white butcher paper.
    My shooting spot is in the bottom of a canyon with a 3mph head wind. It is almost perfectly North to South so the wind is consistent in both speed and direction.
    There is no East to West bearing so there is no Coriolis Effect, making it a perfect site for testing BC with drop.
    Distances can be shot out to 1611 yds with almost no angle compensation.

    ATMOSPHERICS

    82F
    29.1 HG
    600F
    50% RH

    Here are the ranges i shot, adjustments i used on the dial, and the measured distance from the group average to the point of aim. I like to shoot as close to the edge of supersonic as i can get so that i have a good average BC. These are the inputs i used in the Gseven ballistic engine and used the "True Bullet BC" option.
    I used a ProChrono that has a history of accuracy, and the Magnetospeed. They agreed within a couple of fps with each other so i did not true the velocity, only the BC.

    458yds
    7.25 MOA on the dial
    +2" high

    866yds
    19.25 MOA on the dial
    +8.5" high

    1240yds
    34 MOA on the dial
    +9.18" high

    THE RESULTS

    My lot of Matrix bullets measure 1.49" in length with an average Meplat diameter of about .060".
    Average BC with a MV of 2,990fps

    G7 BC=.3225
    G1 BC=.6435

    I put this in the ELR thread because i feel an accurate set up and BC is essential for ELR shooting. Its a good way to test a bullet that does not have an accurate factory BC.
     
  2. DLew

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    Great write up, I saw some of your earlier load testing over on the hide. Looks like from the manufacturers specs on that bullet they are claiming .7828 BC (static). Doesn't look like they were very close to that mark. I've been waiting on the new Bergers to decide if I'm going to rebarrel my.270wsm to a faster twist and try to run some.
     

  3. MuleHunter

    MuleHunter Well-Known Member

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    In truth i was a little dissapointed in the BC of the Matrix, however it is the most accurate bullet i have yet to test. I think the accuracy and consistency are worth giving up a few BC points. They are the most consistent bearing surface i have seen with an extreme variance of only .003". Most are within .001". I think that part of the BC loss if from the large Meplat diameter. I plan to try tipping them to .033" and retesting. As of right now the 7 WSM with a 180gr Hybrid beats the 270 WSM Matrix combo ballistically. My initial goals were to beat the 7. Now if i can tip the bullet and match the 7 ballistically but beat it accuracy wise i will be happy.

    So far a G1 of .674 at 2,950fps is the number to beat to make the 270 WSM worth the loss of barrel life over the 7.
     
  4. bigngreen

    bigngreen Well-Known Member

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    Great thread, missed it somehow! I ran out of 165's a few months ago and I've been shooting up a couple boxes of 175's, your BC seems very good and matches what I shot out to 1450 yards. My rifle shoots the 165's amazing and the .650 bc worked way out there but I have only shot them using Loadbase, the 175's I've been shooting with Applied Ballistics.
    Really looking forward to the Berger, if they shoot as well as the Matrix it'll be super nice!
    It'll be interesting to see what pointing will do for the BC as well, I like the Meplats the way they are for hunting though since we had very good performance on game with them.
     
  5. MuleHunter

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    My next goal is to test the pointed matrix alongside the non pointed ones at 1,400 yds for vertical dispersion, then shoot them both again through ballistic gel at the same distance to compare expansion. It may be a couple of Weeks but I will post it in this thread.
     
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    You get double bonus points for the ballistics gel test!!!!!! I really only shoot bullets with the final purpose of killing game so the pointing kinda makes me nervous but it may weaken the point enough that it will give easier and be fine, or not.
     
  7. MuleHunter

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    Well it accomplishes two curiosities of mine. The success of the non pointed is well documented, so I figure if I use that as a control test for the ballistic gel, if the pointed bullets perform similarly I'll know i'm good to go for hunting with pointed bullets. Second is that there seems to be a lot of controversy over ELR hunting. The popular opinion is that a bullet needs to be traveling at 1,600-1,800 fps to be effective. I think that number may have been generated from a theory without actual testing. As far as I know no one has tested the terminal performance of these bullets at ELR. There are documented kills for sure but it will be interesting to see the gel test and the effect of pointing them.

    After testing them, if they perform acceptably I plan to start a thread called "The ELR Challenge" where I am going to set up my target board beyond 1,000 yds with a target of a full sized mule deer buck and challenge myself and everyone else to make 3 cold bore hits on target. I don't want to do it to be argumentative but only to satisfy my curiosity and challenge myself.
     
  8. TrqTTs

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    Great thread, thank you for the time you put in to this research! You and BnG are my 270 "idols", lol.

    My question would be, do you feel that the difference in claimed BC to calculated BC would be the same/similar in the 165 gr bullet? Subscribed fo sho.
     
  9. MuleHunter

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    I have not done the extensive testing with the 165's, however a reliable source that uses similar BC testing told me he is using .638 for the 165's. That sounds right to me given the fact that they both have the same Ogive and boat tail design. The 175 has a longer bearing surface and higher sectional density and I believe that is why its BC is only marginally higher. The 175 does shoot incredibly out of a 9 twist 5R Benchmark though and I have severe doubts that I could get another bullet to preform that accurately.
     
  10. TrqTTs

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    Do you or anyone you've seen have any recovered Matrix bullets from impact, whether animal, gelatin, wet newspaper or other? I'm wondering how they do in the expansion department.

    Ultimately i'd like to use my 270 wsm for northern Ontario moose, and right now I'm leaning towards the Partition 160 gr, since I don't need much for distance (<300 yards), and the fact that I'm stuck with a 23" 1:10 twist barrel in my rifle for now, but the Matrix 165 definitely interests me.

    Has anyone had any experience with Woodleigh bullets? They make a 180 grn .277 bullet that might also be good for bigger game. http://www.woodleighbullets.com.au/bullet-lists/traditional/264q-333q
     
  11. bigngreen

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    The only Matrix I have been able to recover from animals is shots under 100 yards and hitting a bull elk in the neck or shoulders. They end up in a twisted copper mess on the off side, not much weight is left but it's blowing bone all the way and does an amazing job blowing the life out of stuff. Farther out I have not been able to get one to stay in an elk even shooting them through shoulders. I shot a bunch of deer last year and all exited, even with very heavy quartering shots at close range. I shoot mostly the 165 Matrix and the wound channels have been very even when shot through the chest, they seem to open at the same time and the organ damage has been even with exit holes all about 1.5-2 in.
    Bullets pulled out of the berms at 1000 yards are opened up a little over half way. Personally I would not hesitate to put a 165 Matrix behind the shoulder of a moose but I'm very, very comfortable with these bullets!!!
     
  12. 270 MKV

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    Good to know on the 165's!!

    will start with .638 and see how they track to 500 and 700 yards. Going to try and get 2850 FPS out of them using H4831sc in my 270 Win.

    Been reading lots about the jump sensitivity on VLD Bullets.

    How much sensitivity are we talking??? if the weapon can shoot 1 MOA with factory loads, and 3/4MOA with basic hand loads, would the group blow up to say 1.5 MOA with a VLD??

    Just want to get an idea how bad the groups swell with a VLD???
     
  13. TrqTTs

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    I can't speak from experience just yet, but if I'm not mistaken the VLD's will require playing around with the seating depth to tighten your groups. There was an article written about playing around with the gap, but I can't seem to find it now.

    Edit: disregard, I just read the 'jump sensitivity' part. Duh!
     
  14. 270 MKV

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    well, guess I will just have to jump in and see how it performs.

    Dont have a precision mic, but with a 1-28 thread pitch...I should be able to get within +- .005

    prolly start off with 53 ot 54 grains on 4831sc.

    27 inch barrel

    any other suggestions??