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<blockquote data-quote="Scot E" data-source="post: 744222" data-attributes="member: 10832"><p>Ummm . . . . . a quote from my first post. Does this sound like I am arguing a 180 degree position from you. </p><p></p><p><strong>The harder I think about adding an LRKM to my collection <span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: DarkOrange">the more this issue is going to have to be addressed by me as well</span></span>. I wonder if they would think on one of your suggestions, MOAR "thin" or a thinner center crosshair, if you were able to start a ELR fund from all the ELR shooters interested that would fund the creation of the new reticle. Maybe they would be more up for it if they knew they didn't have to front the money for the reticle on such a small market share condition. Of course I don't know what the cost would be for such an undertaking with NF. I do know the cost of a reticle creation with US Optics and Premier ( back in the day when they did them) ran from $600-1200 for the creation of it. There would be other costs too I am sure as NF isn't the specialty manufacturer that US or Premier is/was. It would also go to show the kind of interest in the reticle there is as well as the dedication to NF products. That alone may help move the process forward. </strong></p><p></p><p>It's strange but to me it sounds like I am acknowledging that I am soon to be in the same boat as you and am also suggesting ways to get NF to add a thinner reticle for ELR purposes. I don't know though, maybe there is some hidden conspiracy code in there some where if you read what I wrote upside down, in Russian, after a few drinks at the local pub. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> </p><p></p><p>Ok just to interpret, that last sentence was said in fun with a little sarcasm thrown in to boot. I <strong>DO NOT</strong> think you are dyslexic or a Russian spy, nor am I accusing you of being an alcoholic. Well, the last sentence I guess has to be interpreted now too. DOOOH, this will never end! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>On a serious note, I would encourage you to reassess the lack of importance in looking at this from a business and marketing standpoint. I can assure you they are in the scope business to remain profitable. And when we are talking about a very small market share there are going to be upfront costs and likely even volume order issues that may come into play that makes the business side a very real part of their decision making process. If you really want something done when they aren't planning on doing it, I think you need to understand why and then how to overcome that obstacle. Just one crazy guy's opinion though. </p><p></p><p>Ok back to topic. This is how I feel, written as plainly and simply and de-coded as I can. </p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">I am thinking about buying a dedicated ELR rifle, most likely an LRKM<span style="font-size: 15px">,</span> and I really want the ATACR scope with a thin, read as .0625 line thickness, MOAR reticle<span style="font-size: 15px">. So I too am interested in any other thoughts as to how we can get NF on board with this ide<span style="font-size: 15px">a. But coming up with a p<span style="font-size: 15px">ool of money to help push them in our direction is not a very good idea and needs to be scrapped all together. </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px">OOOPs, just a bit more <span style="font-size: 15px">sarcasm snuck out there, but I am done now I promise! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px">And I <span style="font-size: 15px">will read only and not respond any more to this thread in an attempt to keep the peac<span style="font-size: 15px">e since we think 180° of each other (except for this t<span style="font-size: 15px">opic, which we completely agree on, hmm, even I am confus<span style="font-size: 15px">ed now)</span></span> <span style="font-size: 15px">starting . . . . . .now!</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 10px">And seriously, this is a good topic and thread so please don't shut it down. I just had to let out <span style="font-size: 10px">a bit of <span style="font-size: 10px">fun <span style="font-size: 10px">to ease the </span></span></span>pa<span style="font-size: 10px">in but now we can all move forward in <span style="font-size: 10px">a REAL attempt at <span style="font-size: 10px">figuring</span> something out. </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px">Scot E.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scot E, post: 744222, member: 10832"] Ummm . . . . . a quote from my first post. Does this sound like I am arguing a 180 degree position from you. [B]The harder I think about adding an LRKM to my collection [SIZE=4][COLOR=DarkOrange]the more this issue is going to have to be addressed by me as well[/COLOR][/SIZE]. I wonder if they would think on one of your suggestions, MOAR "thin" or a thinner center crosshair, if you were able to start a ELR fund from all the ELR shooters interested that would fund the creation of the new reticle. Maybe they would be more up for it if they knew they didn't have to front the money for the reticle on such a small market share condition. Of course I don't know what the cost would be for such an undertaking with NF. I do know the cost of a reticle creation with US Optics and Premier ( back in the day when they did them) ran from $600-1200 for the creation of it. There would be other costs too I am sure as NF isn't the specialty manufacturer that US or Premier is/was. It would also go to show the kind of interest in the reticle there is as well as the dedication to NF products. That alone may help move the process forward. [/B] It's strange but to me it sounds like I am acknowledging that I am soon to be in the same boat as you and am also suggesting ways to get NF to add a thinner reticle for ELR purposes. I don't know though, maybe there is some hidden conspiracy code in there some where if you read what I wrote upside down, in Russian, after a few drinks at the local pub. :D Ok just to interpret, that last sentence was said in fun with a little sarcasm thrown in to boot. I [B]DO NOT[/B] think you are dyslexic or a Russian spy, nor am I accusing you of being an alcoholic. Well, the last sentence I guess has to be interpreted now too. DOOOH, this will never end! :D On a serious note, I would encourage you to reassess the lack of importance in looking at this from a business and marketing standpoint. I can assure you they are in the scope business to remain profitable. And when we are talking about a very small market share there are going to be upfront costs and likely even volume order issues that may come into play that makes the business side a very real part of their decision making process. If you really want something done when they aren't planning on doing it, I think you need to understand why and then how to overcome that obstacle. Just one crazy guy's opinion though. Ok back to topic. This is how I feel, written as plainly and simply and de-coded as I can. [SIZE=4]I am thinking about buying a dedicated ELR rifle, most likely an LRKM[SIZE=4],[/SIZE] and I really want the ATACR scope with a thin, read as .0625 line thickness, MOAR reticle[SIZE=4]. So I too am interested in any other thoughts as to how we can get NF on board with this ide[SIZE=4]a. But coming up with a p[SIZE=4]ool of money to help push them in our direction is not a very good idea and needs to be scrapped all together. [SIZE=4]OOOPs, just a bit more [SIZE=4]sarcasm snuck out there, but I am done now I promise! :D [SIZE=4]And I [SIZE=4]will read only and not respond any more to this thread in an attempt to keep the peac[SIZE=4]e since we think 180° of each other (except for this t[SIZE=4]opic, which we completely agree on, hmm, even I am confus[SIZE=4]ed now)[/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=4]starting . . . . . .now! [SIZE=2]And seriously, this is a good topic and thread so please don't shut it down. I just had to let out [SIZE=2]a bit of [SIZE=2]fun [SIZE=2]to ease the [/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]pa[SIZE=2]in but now we can all move forward in [SIZE=2]a REAL attempt at [SIZE=2]figuring[/SIZE] something out. [/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=4]Scot E.[/SIZE] [/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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