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How Could We Improve the NEW A.T.A.C.R. From Nightforce
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<blockquote data-quote="Scot E" data-source="post: 744170" data-attributes="member: 10832"><p>Goodness Jeff, You really need to find some way to chill and quit taking everything I say so personal. I swear I feel like we are in JR High. </p><p></p><p>My intent from the beginning was simply to try to say that you are likely going to have to find a way to sweeten the pot to get what you want and then gave proof why I believe that to be true. Believe it or not I was actually trying to help and give you facts as to why you didn't get what you wanted. I believe you asked that in your original post but maybe I misunderstood your point. <strong>"But!!!! Why the thicker reticle?? That is surely not what we as ELR shooters will prefer. Four inches plus of target cover at 3000 yards is not my idea of a precise hold."</strong></p><p></p><p>The fact is they weren't thinking of ELR. If that isn't obvious by the facts I gave, the name of the scope, and the fact that you didn't get the thin reticle then I don't know what to tell you. They were catering to tactical and that is why you didn't get what you wanted. That was my point. If you want them to hear you, my suggestion was to maybe find a way to sweeten the pot which will also show how big and dedicated this market share is, which may cause them to take a second look. You have to be creative when you want something and you are in a small market share. That is a fact I thought may be helpful as it has worked for me in the past in some of my desires for specialized archery products. </p><p></p><p>Sorry I mentioned FFP. I realize this is a hot point for you, I just didn't realize how hot. My point was that even the tactical guys, who this scope was designed for, aren't completely happy. You know, as in "you can't please anyone for trying!" <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>Ok, note to self. "Don't respond to any thread that Jeff has posted to or especially initiated if it has to do with reticles, scopes, focal plane, or scope calibration because he will always take things I say in the worst possible way despite the logic or facts submitted. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></p><p></p><p>As an aside, what exactly do I have to do to be allowed to post to the ELR forum? Is it just shooting past 1k at targets, taking game that far, never shooting under 1k, having 1k as my zero, or maybe a tattoo of "The 1K Club" on my hinee? I read the ELR rules Len posted but evidently missed an update somewhere. Evidently my qualifications don't quite cut it yet. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></p><p></p><p>I will kindly bow out of this thread and let those in the know try to figure out a way to get what they don't have. </p><p></p><p>Scot E.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scot E, post: 744170, member: 10832"] Goodness Jeff, You really need to find some way to chill and quit taking everything I say so personal. I swear I feel like we are in JR High. My intent from the beginning was simply to try to say that you are likely going to have to find a way to sweeten the pot to get what you want and then gave proof why I believe that to be true. Believe it or not I was actually trying to help and give you facts as to why you didn't get what you wanted. I believe you asked that in your original post but maybe I misunderstood your point. [B]"But!!!! Why the thicker reticle?? That is surely not what we as ELR shooters will prefer. Four inches plus of target cover at 3000 yards is not my idea of a precise hold."[/B] The fact is they weren't thinking of ELR. If that isn't obvious by the facts I gave, the name of the scope, and the fact that you didn't get the thin reticle then I don't know what to tell you. They were catering to tactical and that is why you didn't get what you wanted. That was my point. If you want them to hear you, my suggestion was to maybe find a way to sweeten the pot which will also show how big and dedicated this market share is, which may cause them to take a second look. You have to be creative when you want something and you are in a small market share. That is a fact I thought may be helpful as it has worked for me in the past in some of my desires for specialized archery products. Sorry I mentioned FFP. I realize this is a hot point for you, I just didn't realize how hot. My point was that even the tactical guys, who this scope was designed for, aren't completely happy. You know, as in "you can't please anyone for trying!" :D Ok, note to self. "Don't respond to any thread that Jeff has posted to or especially initiated if it has to do with reticles, scopes, focal plane, or scope calibration because he will always take things I say in the worst possible way despite the logic or facts submitted. :rolleyes: As an aside, what exactly do I have to do to be allowed to post to the ELR forum? Is it just shooting past 1k at targets, taking game that far, never shooting under 1k, having 1k as my zero, or maybe a tattoo of "The 1K Club" on my hinee? I read the ELR rules Len posted but evidently missed an update somewhere. Evidently my qualifications don't quite cut it yet. :rolleyes: I will kindly bow out of this thread and let those in the know try to figure out a way to get what they don't have. Scot E. [/QUOTE]
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