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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 204299" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>I would never say much against another smith unless there was a quality or safety issue at hand. </p><p> </p><p>I will however say there can be a wide range of difference between some gunsmiths work. I get a giggle out of some of the local guys that come up to the shop, ask for a price quote and then almost turn blue in the face when they here what I charge for my work, which to be honest is right at the national average for smithing work.</p><p> </p><p>Then in a few months, they come back with something that has been done to their rifle, many times, its that the muzzle has been ported and back reamed and now the rifle does not shoot worth a darn.</p><p> </p><p>Simple fix, cut off the damaged barrel at the muzzle and start over and do it RIGHT.</p><p> </p><p>There can be a wide range of pricing from different smiths, generally those that DO IT RIGHT, charge a bit more money simply because they know and understand what it takes to do things correctly and in most cases that is simply a bit more time involved and paying attention to what your doing. Most importantly, its not be satisfied with Thats Close Enough. Knowing most of the other smiths that have commented on this post and including myself, that would not be something you would hear or see from us.</p><p> </p><p>If the brake tightened down over TDC, I know we all would take her another revolution and make the job RIGHT and eat another 15 minutes of time instead of sending out something that is of poor quality.</p><p> </p><p>That said, if a customer tells me they want to take the brake on and off alot, I will index it slightly before TDC. YOu would have to really look to see it. Also, for this situation, I will generally recommend something Lika Shawns DE brake or Nates with only side ports. The reason is because you can index the brakes slightly short of TDC and as there are no top ports, its nearly impossible to tell. THis way when the brake is removed or installed it will eventually work over in rotation but will take quite a while to go over TDC unless the customer gets carried away torquing it.</p><p> </p><p>With a quality thread fit, it is amazing how little a brake needs to be torqued to stay put. Now on a loose thread fit, they need to be torqued down pretty hard. But those of us on here that give a rats rear about our finished product do not cut threads that way, they are a quality fit thread and just a light torque with some medium strength thread locker will hold them in place with even the largest magnum rifles.</p><p> </p><p>Simply put, to the original poster, the brake was not installed correctly. Simple as that. as already mentioned, its a simple matter to index a brake. If your lathe will hold even 1 thou tolerances, its extremely easy to perfectly index a brake if the smith has the desire to take the time to do it correctly. I have not seen a lathe yet that would not hold tolerances tight enough to easily be accurate to 1 thou. Most are several times less then this as far as repeatable results.</p><p> </p><p>Just my opinion, a bit of laziness in my opinion. Functionally, you will not see any issues unless its dramatically off TDC, then you can see some down angled thrust that you may notice with large capacity magnum chamberings but thats about it.</p><p> </p><p>Kirby Allen(50)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 204299, member: 10"] I would never say much against another smith unless there was a quality or safety issue at hand. I will however say there can be a wide range of difference between some gunsmiths work. I get a giggle out of some of the local guys that come up to the shop, ask for a price quote and then almost turn blue in the face when they here what I charge for my work, which to be honest is right at the national average for smithing work. Then in a few months, they come back with something that has been done to their rifle, many times, its that the muzzle has been ported and back reamed and now the rifle does not shoot worth a darn. Simple fix, cut off the damaged barrel at the muzzle and start over and do it RIGHT. There can be a wide range of pricing from different smiths, generally those that DO IT RIGHT, charge a bit more money simply because they know and understand what it takes to do things correctly and in most cases that is simply a bit more time involved and paying attention to what your doing. Most importantly, its not be satisfied with Thats Close Enough. Knowing most of the other smiths that have commented on this post and including myself, that would not be something you would hear or see from us. If the brake tightened down over TDC, I know we all would take her another revolution and make the job RIGHT and eat another 15 minutes of time instead of sending out something that is of poor quality. That said, if a customer tells me they want to take the brake on and off alot, I will index it slightly before TDC. YOu would have to really look to see it. Also, for this situation, I will generally recommend something Lika Shawns DE brake or Nates with only side ports. The reason is because you can index the brakes slightly short of TDC and as there are no top ports, its nearly impossible to tell. THis way when the brake is removed or installed it will eventually work over in rotation but will take quite a while to go over TDC unless the customer gets carried away torquing it. With a quality thread fit, it is amazing how little a brake needs to be torqued to stay put. Now on a loose thread fit, they need to be torqued down pretty hard. But those of us on here that give a rats rear about our finished product do not cut threads that way, they are a quality fit thread and just a light torque with some medium strength thread locker will hold them in place with even the largest magnum rifles. Simply put, to the original poster, the brake was not installed correctly. Simple as that. as already mentioned, its a simple matter to index a brake. If your lathe will hold even 1 thou tolerances, its extremely easy to perfectly index a brake if the smith has the desire to take the time to do it correctly. I have not seen a lathe yet that would not hold tolerances tight enough to easily be accurate to 1 thou. Most are several times less then this as far as repeatable results. Just my opinion, a bit of laziness in my opinion. Functionally, you will not see any issues unless its dramatically off TDC, then you can see some down angled thrust that you may notice with large capacity magnum chamberings but thats about it. Kirby Allen(50) [/QUOTE]
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