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Hold over or Dial??? Plus scope suggestions?
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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 576077" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>Either works very well if your comfortable with both methods. Generally, those that dial up will fall back on the comment that using hold over is not nearly accurate enough for hunting, BUNK.</p><p> </p><p>Those that hold over will generally say that its MUCH faster then dialing up, Maybe slightly more so but again, not dramatically.</p><p> </p><p>Simple fact is there are limits to each method, if you know those limitations and get good with either system you will be a very successful long range big game hunter.</p><p> </p><p>The comment about not having scopes with enough reference marks for accurate shooting at long range. That simply is not true. There are MANY out there that work great. The NF NP-R1 is a great scope reticle. I prefer the 5.5-22x version as you can use it on 22x with 1 moa line spacing or on 11x for 2 moa line spacing. Its a simple mater to braket a target between the lines for 1/4 and 1/2 moa spacing. Again, its simply a matter of getting used to doing it and not relying on your dials as much.</p><p> </p><p>I guarantee I could use hold over and compete head to head with anyone using dial up out to 1000 yards with no problems at all. Is dialing up more precise, certainly, but we are big game hunting, not BR shooting. IF you can put your first shot within 1/2 moa of your point of aim out to 1000 yards you will easily be able to take any big game animal out to that range. Hold over will easily get you within that amount of precision.</p><p> </p><p>Either way, you need a quality scope. IF you dial up, you need a scope that will give you consistant dial ups all the time. I recommend the NF NXS, Vortex Razor and Leupold Mk4s for that purpose.</p><p> </p><p>If you want to hold over, I recommend the NF NXS 5.5-22 with NP-R1 reticle or the Leupold FFP Mk4 scopes for lighter rifles. THe FFP feature is a huge bonus for hold over shooting as your not limited to one power setting.</p><p> </p><p>You also have to consider if a scope has a quality paralax adjustment. If the scope will adjust the center of the field of view for paralax but the outer edges of the field of view are not then you will have distortion and issues with accuracy at longer range hold over shot placement.</p><p> </p><p>Its for this reason that I do not recommend using hold over for much past 1000 yards with the most potent chamberings and generally less then 800 is best with conventional chamberings. YOu should limit your hold over to no more then around 20 moa. If you want to shoot at ranges that require more hold over then this, I DO recommend dialing up but that is because of issues with paralax more then anything else.</p><p> </p><p>Do not mean to ruffle any feathers but when both systems are use correctly, they both work extremely well and both have their advantages and disadvantages.</p><p> </p><p>Try them both, pick the one that you like best and then practice ALOT to make it second nature for you to use whatever system you prefer.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 576077, member: 10"] Either works very well if your comfortable with both methods. Generally, those that dial up will fall back on the comment that using hold over is not nearly accurate enough for hunting, BUNK. Those that hold over will generally say that its MUCH faster then dialing up, Maybe slightly more so but again, not dramatically. Simple fact is there are limits to each method, if you know those limitations and get good with either system you will be a very successful long range big game hunter. The comment about not having scopes with enough reference marks for accurate shooting at long range. That simply is not true. There are MANY out there that work great. The NF NP-R1 is a great scope reticle. I prefer the 5.5-22x version as you can use it on 22x with 1 moa line spacing or on 11x for 2 moa line spacing. Its a simple mater to braket a target between the lines for 1/4 and 1/2 moa spacing. Again, its simply a matter of getting used to doing it and not relying on your dials as much. I guarantee I could use hold over and compete head to head with anyone using dial up out to 1000 yards with no problems at all. Is dialing up more precise, certainly, but we are big game hunting, not BR shooting. IF you can put your first shot within 1/2 moa of your point of aim out to 1000 yards you will easily be able to take any big game animal out to that range. Hold over will easily get you within that amount of precision. Either way, you need a quality scope. IF you dial up, you need a scope that will give you consistant dial ups all the time. I recommend the NF NXS, Vortex Razor and Leupold Mk4s for that purpose. If you want to hold over, I recommend the NF NXS 5.5-22 with NP-R1 reticle or the Leupold FFP Mk4 scopes for lighter rifles. THe FFP feature is a huge bonus for hold over shooting as your not limited to one power setting. You also have to consider if a scope has a quality paralax adjustment. If the scope will adjust the center of the field of view for paralax but the outer edges of the field of view are not then you will have distortion and issues with accuracy at longer range hold over shot placement. Its for this reason that I do not recommend using hold over for much past 1000 yards with the most potent chamberings and generally less then 800 is best with conventional chamberings. YOu should limit your hold over to no more then around 20 moa. If you want to shoot at ranges that require more hold over then this, I DO recommend dialing up but that is because of issues with paralax more then anything else. Do not mean to ruffle any feathers but when both systems are use correctly, they both work extremely well and both have their advantages and disadvantages. Try them both, pick the one that you like best and then practice ALOT to make it second nature for you to use whatever system you prefer. [/QUOTE]
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