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Help me build a 1 mile rifle...
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<blockquote data-quote="Jerry Cunningham" data-source="post: 360602" data-attributes="member: 21139"><p>I followed this thread with great interest. The gentleman wants to shoot a rifle at a target one mile away. To me this is merely a technical question. Many shooters have shot and hit a variety of targets at that range. Some of these shooters are on this forum and have elected to remain silent. It takes a serious commitment in time and money to obtain this goal. A true military laser rangefinder is absolutely necessary. The rifle needs to be in the class of a .338 Laupa shooting a 300 grain match bullet. You need a high end rifle scope with at least 36 power magnification. I would choose a Nightforce or a Leupold in that order. The rifle needs to weigh no less than 30 pounds in my opinion. I have made and shot a number of rifles in this class. This weight is necessary so you can spot your own hits if the background permits, you also need the weight to suck up the recoil so your mind can concentrate on the job. </p><p>Ideally, these shots are totally "set-up." That means a target is actually set up at that range and shots are taken under the best conditions possible. This means low or no wind conditions and/or from no value winds. The target should be 8 feet by 8 feet. A down range spotter in a safe location will relay hits and misses with a two way radio. At this point the shooter can establish the hit probability. With this information the shooter knows the odds. A 12 inch five shot group is possible at that range. Shooters who have often shot at this range know this is true. I have no interest in questions of value or morality of such shooting. Those issues are personal and have nothing to do with the technical tools to do the job. I made rifle barrels for most of my adult life. I shot out to two miles with modified bases on a 50 caliber many times. I am now retired. After years of testing various accuracy and design questions I have decided that most people are wrong most of the time. What cannot be done by most people is commonly done by a few people. What is possible to the determined experimenter is far beyond what most people can imagine. I can say from first hand experience that I would not like to be shot at by a properly tooled and trained shooter at a mile. The shot will be close enough that most survivors would be grateful to be alive. My suggestion to the person who started this thread is to follow your own star. Your goal is completely obtainable but comes at a high financial and social price. I am surprised that the questioner would receive so much flack over a technical question.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jerry Cunningham, post: 360602, member: 21139"] I followed this thread with great interest. The gentleman wants to shoot a rifle at a target one mile away. To me this is merely a technical question. Many shooters have shot and hit a variety of targets at that range. Some of these shooters are on this forum and have elected to remain silent. It takes a serious commitment in time and money to obtain this goal. A true military laser rangefinder is absolutely necessary. The rifle needs to be in the class of a .338 Laupa shooting a 300 grain match bullet. You need a high end rifle scope with at least 36 power magnification. I would choose a Nightforce or a Leupold in that order. The rifle needs to weigh no less than 30 pounds in my opinion. I have made and shot a number of rifles in this class. This weight is necessary so you can spot your own hits if the background permits, you also need the weight to suck up the recoil so your mind can concentrate on the job. Ideally, these shots are totally "set-up." That means a target is actually set up at that range and shots are taken under the best conditions possible. This means low or no wind conditions and/or from no value winds. The target should be 8 feet by 8 feet. A down range spotter in a safe location will relay hits and misses with a two way radio. At this point the shooter can establish the hit probability. With this information the shooter knows the odds. A 12 inch five shot group is possible at that range. Shooters who have often shot at this range know this is true. I have no interest in questions of value or morality of such shooting. Those issues are personal and have nothing to do with the technical tools to do the job. I made rifle barrels for most of my adult life. I shot out to two miles with modified bases on a 50 caliber many times. I am now retired. After years of testing various accuracy and design questions I have decided that most people are wrong most of the time. What cannot be done by most people is commonly done by a few people. What is possible to the determined experimenter is far beyond what most people can imagine. I can say from first hand experience that I would not like to be shot at by a properly tooled and trained shooter at a mile. The shot will be close enough that most survivors would be grateful to be alive. My suggestion to the person who started this thread is to follow your own star. Your goal is completely obtainable but comes at a high financial and social price. I am surprised that the questioner would receive so much flack over a technical question. [/QUOTE]
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