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<blockquote data-quote="fordy" data-source="post: 2853226" data-attributes="member: 120504"><p>Gday</p><p></p><p>Who do i quote this time <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤷♂️" title="Man shrugging :man_shrugging:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" /> </p><p></p><p>Let's see how this goes after picking myself off the floor from laughter <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤣" title="Rolling on the floor laughing :rofl:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f923.png" data-shortname=":rofl:" /><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤣" title="Rolling on the floor laughing :rofl:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f923.png" data-shortname=":rofl:" /></p><p></p><p>This place is funny I'll give it that <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😎" title="Smiling face with sunglasses :sunglasses:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" data-shortname=":sunglasses:" /></p><p></p><p>Time to clear ones head </p><p></p><p>So many look @ when things go right</p><p>While these are good i am not going to dispute they will all kill well with well placed shots within a pills capabilities as they will / do & results from impact to tip are good in most scenarios</p><p>Yet we see so much interpretation on these matters that for the new to the sport they must get flabbergasted & put their hands in the air others look @ spectacular looking kills ( that are usually cns ) & go wow that's the pill I need yet their results are vastly different than those portrayed in most cases</p><p></p><p>Now a better way to look @ things imo is from the part of what is required to get the job done with as minimal fuss across various resistances ( from impact to tip I use ) we can encounter on a critter in the field & while many believe they can place with 100% certainty reality is often different over time & im no angel & gladly put my hand up as I mess up from either my skills that also includes my lack of knowledge on animal behaviour ,environmental factors as the main ones so shot angles are also one we should consider ( imo once again )</p><p></p><p>So we have various resistances which also encounter / include various impact velocities ( I note this thread takes out a lot of variables as distance is pretty well known & type of hunt & talking broadly ) then we add the angles that these increase the likelihood of a different result than the ideal</p><p></p><p>Now break those down to where ea pill has its strengths & weaknesses</p><p></p><p>To me if we understand the weaknesses we give ourselves the greatest strengths by trying to eliminate the weaknesses & one option is choosing our shots accordingly but no guarantee & Murphy will get someone oneday </p><p></p><p>It's extremely hard to get a good pill on so many levels that tick all the boxes</p><p>probably impossible but I like to push bullet companies to try & give us even better pills & through time we have gotten better pills ( not from my doing on the whole as I've done Jack in the big picture but a few I've helped)</p><p></p><p>The problem is just like in this thread we are all ( majority) coming from the good not the bad</p><p></p><p>It's on the bad we learn more as where these weaknesses are</p><p>Then you enter into some of these companies that treat us as complete idiots !!! & quote what they know will kill across various resistances ,velocity impacts & angles yet reality is vastly different & probably read it out of a book somewhere or what I don't know but I do know they are full of it when you hear some things they say yes they are great @ writing , when a result shows up as less than a ideal it's suddenly a great outcome or start quoting oh look how that went yet when questioned on the actual results there is no response or a deflection occurs yep just like their bullets & that I will stand by 100% & not shy away from </p><p></p><p>What do we need from a pill to give consistent results</p><p>Mine are</p><p>Velocity windows ( true ones not the companies <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="💩" title="Pile of poo :poop:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f4a9.png" data-shortname=":poop:" /> some do )</p><p>Consistency across these windows consistency across different resistances</p><p>True !!! Straight line penertration</p><p>Penertration length ( not just the total penertration length a effective wound channel length with around 4 main parts in a wound channel )</p><p></p><p>Then you need it to get your target which is within a true velocity window level once again most companies stretch the truth on being able to work @ x velocity ( brackets are good if you get anal on where pills excel , work ok , drop off & stink )</p><p>So bc is important to some but as in this threads case it's basically useless here & over emphasis from the average shot ranges most take critters @ but I'll take it but in NO WAY !!! if terminal preformance is compromised or less & that's also hard to swallow for some companies as they really don't know what they are talking about or if they do that's really sad </p><p>But I'll give them 5 stars for talking it up </p><p>( yes I've got to let them feel good with something <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😉" title="Winking face :wink:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" data-shortname=":wink:" /> ) </p><p></p><p>So I'd say just sit back & watch which companies are doing what then you've got the greatest strength & that's knowledge & being able to </p><p></p><p>I do understand that the majority of people can't find weaknesses as we should be aiming for the best but over the years I've had from sheer numbers enough failures or less than ideal results ( from keeping notes on preformance & autopsies it set a bar for me to watch carefully) to get a great understanding of where pills will fail or give less than ideal results of one pill vrs another occur , from those results we can move to other pills that are better suited for that scenario if it's warranted </p><p></p><p>I'm lucky to still have enough animal numbers to test these situations on today but my body is saying enough is enough </p><p>Like my mind is with some companies lol </p><p></p><p>Wondering how far I should go with that hmmm <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤔" title="Thinking face :thinking:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f914.png" data-shortname=":thinking:" /></p><p></p><p>no guru just a muppet that loves learning through field results & compiled a lot of data from a lot of different pills over a lot of years </p><p></p><p>Looking forward to the next comedy hour </p><p></p><p>Cheers</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fordy, post: 2853226, member: 120504"] Gday Who do i quote this time 🤷♂️ Let’s see how this goes after picking myself off the floor from laughter 🤣🤣 This place is funny I’ll give it that 😎 Time to clear ones head So many look @ when things go right While these are good i am not going to dispute they will all kill well with well placed shots within a pills capabilities as they will / do & results from impact to tip are good in most scenarios Yet we see so much interpretation on these matters that for the new to the sport they must get flabbergasted & put their hands in the air others look @ spectacular looking kills ( that are usually cns ) & go wow that’s the pill I need yet their results are vastly different than those portrayed in most cases Now a better way to look @ things imo is from the part of what is required to get the job done with as minimal fuss across various resistances ( from impact to tip I use ) we can encounter on a critter in the field & while many believe they can place with 100% certainty reality is often different over time & im no angel & gladly put my hand up as I mess up from either my skills that also includes my lack of knowledge on animal behaviour ,environmental factors as the main ones so shot angles are also one we should consider ( imo once again ) So we have various resistances which also encounter / include various impact velocities ( I note this thread takes out a lot of variables as distance is pretty well known & type of hunt & talking broadly ) then we add the angles that these increase the likelihood of a different result than the ideal Now break those down to where ea pill has its strengths & weaknesses To me if we understand the weaknesses we give ourselves the greatest strengths by trying to eliminate the weaknesses & one option is choosing our shots accordingly but no guarantee & Murphy will get someone oneday It’s extremely hard to get a good pill on so many levels that tick all the boxes probably impossible but I like to push bullet companies to try & give us even better pills & through time we have gotten better pills ( not from my doing on the whole as I’ve done Jack in the big picture but a few I’ve helped) The problem is just like in this thread we are all ( majority) coming from the good not the bad It’s on the bad we learn more as where these weaknesses are Then you enter into some of these companies that treat us as complete idiots !!! & quote what they know will kill across various resistances ,velocity impacts & angles yet reality is vastly different & probably read it out of a book somewhere or what I don’t know but I do know they are full of it when you hear some things they say yes they are great @ writing , when a result shows up as less than a ideal it’s suddenly a great outcome or start quoting oh look how that went yet when questioned on the actual results there is no response or a deflection occurs yep just like their bullets & that I will stand by 100% & not shy away from What do we need from a pill to give consistent results Mine are Velocity windows ( true ones not the companies 💩 some do ) Consistency across these windows consistency across different resistances True !!! Straight line penertration Penertration length ( not just the total penertration length a effective wound channel length with around 4 main parts in a wound channel ) Then you need it to get your target which is within a true velocity window level once again most companies stretch the truth on being able to work @ x velocity ( brackets are good if you get anal on where pills excel , work ok , drop off & stink ) So bc is important to some but as in this threads case it’s basically useless here & over emphasis from the average shot ranges most take critters @ but I’ll take it but in NO WAY !!! if terminal preformance is compromised or less & that’s also hard to swallow for some companies as they really don’t know what they are talking about or if they do that’s really sad But I’ll give them 5 stars for talking it up ( yes I’ve got to let them feel good with something 😉 ) So I’d say just sit back & watch which companies are doing what then you’ve got the greatest strength & that’s knowledge & being able to I do understand that the majority of people can’t find weaknesses as we should be aiming for the best but over the years I’ve had from sheer numbers enough failures or less than ideal results ( from keeping notes on preformance & autopsies it set a bar for me to watch carefully) to get a great understanding of where pills will fail or give less than ideal results of one pill vrs another occur , from those results we can move to other pills that are better suited for that scenario if it’s warranted I’m lucky to still have enough animal numbers to test these situations on today but my body is saying enough is enough Like my mind is with some companies lol Wondering how far I should go with that hmmm 🤔 no guru just a muppet that loves learning through field results & compiled a lot of data from a lot of different pills over a lot of years Looking forward to the next comedy hour Cheers [/QUOTE]
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