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<blockquote data-quote="AaronSkipDavidson" data-source="post: 330680" data-attributes="member: 6373"><p>TDD,</p><p></p><p>Please call our shop and ask for me. I would be glad to give you some references. As for Moose and Grizzly, we (our guys) have taken several grizzly and a few brown bears with this system (actually you should add one polar bear to that). The longest moose was 890 yards this year in Alaska, one was 350. My bear was about 60 feet, and the little 7mm dropped him in his tracks (He was just under 9'), same for my brothers and his was 450 yards.</p><p></p><p>We have a great load for the Berger 180 VLD, it makes a super big game round.</p><p></p><p>Let me make a few more points. Please read Ernie Bishops independant review of the Huskemaw scope, he doesn't draw the conclusion that the NightForce is hands down a better scope. In fact, for hunters the 10 MOA per revolution on the elevation turret is a hindrance, you can dial only about 600 yards in one turn with a BDC. With the Huskemaw, you get 20 MOA in one turn. The 7mm gets right at 1000 yards in one turn. Its simpler to keep track of, and with the Huskemaw you have a second set of numbers on the turret that give you your 10 MPH wind correction.</p><p></p><p>So for most situations you don't need any additional charts or cards, just range it, dial it, dope your wind, and hold it - very fast and very simple. I recommend carrying a dope card that gives corrections for alt/temp changes or incline shooting. Personally, I've developed some simple rules of thumb so I don't have to carry a card, just my gun.</p><p></p><p>Let me give you an example, with the 7mm Mag, 168 VLD, I follow this simple rule to correct for alt/temp. At 1000 yards, for every 1000 feet elevation change or 20 degrees temperature change, I make one click correction. (Remember HO has 1/3 MOA) --More for more dense, less for less dense. At 500 yards, I make no adjustment and at 750 yards I make half a click adjustment. Our rifles come with a 2000'/30deg turret and a 7000'/30deg turret, so for most hunting situations inside a half mile, you don't have to worry about making any adjustment.</p><p></p><p>We aren't the kind of guys that do this for a hobby, this is a business, and we do it ALL THE TIME. We know what works and what doesn't. We have a different spin on a few items, but we can back it up with science AND more comprehensive video proof of one shot kills at ranges beyond 500 yards that any one else that I know of. We show the results. If something actually works better, we could build it--wether its a scope or a rifle or caliber or anything. Why would we recommend anything that is not just right?!</p><p></p><p>There's a bunch of great smiths out there, but how many of them use off the shelf rifle stocks. We designed our own. How many are just using the same scope as everyone else. We designed our own compensation system. How many use software made by someone else. We build our own. Some of the guys like Carlock and Allen are making some pretty sweet Ultra LR cartirdges and rifles. And GAP makes a great rifle at a great price. Ultimately its your choice.</p><p></p><p>When we release our new rangefinder next year, it will work with a BDC to compensate for air density and inclination. It will also range twice as far as current industry best units. This will put the "BDC" critisism to rest. It really will be the best system to use for hunting. Personally, I take very few hunting shots that are beyond a half mile. Those kind of shots should be reserved for very special situations and for very accomplised shooters. </p><p></p><p>We shoot in front of a camera with the expectation of a one shot DROP kill. Many times there might be $20,000 riding on a successful shot. This puts a very high standard on our gear and our shooting. We don't take shots when we don't have an extremely high confidence level. Shooting at game animals at ranges beyond 800 yards very significantly reduces the chances for the one shot kill, and should be taken only when everything is perfect and all corrections accounted for (spin drift, wind, air density, incline, corriolis).</p><p></p><p>Finally, we have a standing invitation to come handle our rifles, check out our shop and our shooting range, and shoot the product before you buy. There aren't many that get away without laying down some green!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AaronSkipDavidson, post: 330680, member: 6373"] TDD, Please call our shop and ask for me. I would be glad to give you some references. As for Moose and Grizzly, we (our guys) have taken several grizzly and a few brown bears with this system (actually you should add one polar bear to that). The longest moose was 890 yards this year in Alaska, one was 350. My bear was about 60 feet, and the little 7mm dropped him in his tracks (He was just under 9'), same for my brothers and his was 450 yards. We have a great load for the Berger 180 VLD, it makes a super big game round. Let me make a few more points. Please read Ernie Bishops independant review of the Huskemaw scope, he doesn't draw the conclusion that the NightForce is hands down a better scope. In fact, for hunters the 10 MOA per revolution on the elevation turret is a hindrance, you can dial only about 600 yards in one turn with a BDC. With the Huskemaw, you get 20 MOA in one turn. The 7mm gets right at 1000 yards in one turn. Its simpler to keep track of, and with the Huskemaw you have a second set of numbers on the turret that give you your 10 MPH wind correction. So for most situations you don't need any additional charts or cards, just range it, dial it, dope your wind, and hold it - very fast and very simple. I recommend carrying a dope card that gives corrections for alt/temp changes or incline shooting. Personally, I've developed some simple rules of thumb so I don't have to carry a card, just my gun. Let me give you an example, with the 7mm Mag, 168 VLD, I follow this simple rule to correct for alt/temp. At 1000 yards, for every 1000 feet elevation change or 20 degrees temperature change, I make one click correction. (Remember HO has 1/3 MOA) --More for more dense, less for less dense. At 500 yards, I make no adjustment and at 750 yards I make half a click adjustment. Our rifles come with a 2000'/30deg turret and a 7000'/30deg turret, so for most hunting situations inside a half mile, you don't have to worry about making any adjustment. We aren't the kind of guys that do this for a hobby, this is a business, and we do it ALL THE TIME. We know what works and what doesn't. We have a different spin on a few items, but we can back it up with science AND more comprehensive video proof of one shot kills at ranges beyond 500 yards that any one else that I know of. We show the results. If something actually works better, we could build it--wether its a scope or a rifle or caliber or anything. Why would we recommend anything that is not just right?! There's a bunch of great smiths out there, but how many of them use off the shelf rifle stocks. We designed our own. How many are just using the same scope as everyone else. We designed our own compensation system. How many use software made by someone else. We build our own. Some of the guys like Carlock and Allen are making some pretty sweet Ultra LR cartirdges and rifles. And GAP makes a great rifle at a great price. Ultimately its your choice. When we release our new rangefinder next year, it will work with a BDC to compensate for air density and inclination. It will also range twice as far as current industry best units. This will put the "BDC" critisism to rest. It really will be the best system to use for hunting. Personally, I take very few hunting shots that are beyond a half mile. Those kind of shots should be reserved for very special situations and for very accomplised shooters. We shoot in front of a camera with the expectation of a one shot DROP kill. Many times there might be $20,000 riding on a successful shot. This puts a very high standard on our gear and our shooting. We don't take shots when we don't have an extremely high confidence level. Shooting at game animals at ranges beyond 800 yards very significantly reduces the chances for the one shot kill, and should be taken only when everything is perfect and all corrections accounted for (spin drift, wind, air density, incline, corriolis). Finally, we have a standing invitation to come handle our rifles, check out our shop and our shooting range, and shoot the product before you buy. There aren't many that get away without laying down some green! [/QUOTE]
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