Gunpowder regulations ques.

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  1. winmagman

    winmagman Well-Known Member

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    I've been thinking about ordering some 5 or 8 pound kegs of powder instead of buying a pound or two at a time. My question is how many pounds can an individual have before you need special permits or storage facilaties?

    I tried the BATF website but couldn't get the regs. link to open, also tried searches here but came up empty.

    Any help appreciated.

    Chris
     
  2. 7Rumloader

    7Rumloader Well-Known Member

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    Thats a good question? I currently have more powder on or under my bench than some local dealers ( around 35 pounds )
    I know that at powder valley you can order a lot more powder than I care to pay for at one time and ship it on the same haz mat ( something like 48 pounds I beleive ).
    I don't think you would run into any problem with a few 5 and 8 pound containers. Maybe ask some of the powder suppliers like powder valley if there is a limit on how much you can have in your possesion before you need special storage provisions.
    I would like to know myself.
     

  3. abinok

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    The short answer.... 20 LBS


    The long answer.....
    10-3 SMOKELESS PROPELLANTS. 10-3.1 Quantities of smokeless propellants not exceeding 25 LB (11.3kg), in shipping containers approved by the U.S. Department of Transportation, may be transported in a private vehicle.

    10-3.2 Quantities of smokeless propellants exceeding 25 lb (11.3kg) but not exceeding 50 lb (22.7 kg), transported in a private vehicle, shall be transported in a portable magazine having wood walls of at least 1-inc. (25.4-mm) nominal thickness.

    10-3.3 Transportation of more than 50 lb (22.7 kg) of smokeless propellants in a private vehicle is prohibited.

    10-3.4 Commercial shipments of smokeless propellants in quantities not exceeding 100 lb. (45.4kg) are classified for transportation purposes as flammable solids when packaged according to U.S. Department of Transportation Hazardous Materials Regulations. (Title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, Park 173.197a), and shall be transported accordingly.

    10-3.5 Commercial shipments of smokeless propellants exceeding 100 lb (45.4 kg) or not packaged in accordance with the regulations cited in 10-3.4 shall be transported according to the U. S. Department of Transportation regulations for Class B propellant explosives.

    10-3.6 Smokeless propellants shall be stored in shipping containers specified by U. S. Department of Transportation Hazardous Materials Regulations.

    10-3.7 Smokeless propellants intended for personal use in quantities not exceeding 20 lb (9.1 kg) may be stored in original containers in residences. Quantities exceeding 20 lb (9.1 kg), but not exceeding 50 lb (22.7 kg), may be stored in residences if kept in a wooden box or cabinet having walls or at least 1-inc. (25.4-mm) nominal thickness.

    10-3.8 Not more than 20 lb (9.1 kg) of smokeless propellants, in containers of 1-lb (0.45-kg) maximum capacity, shall be displayed in commercial establishments.

    10-3.9 Commercial stocks of smokeless propellants should be stored as follows:

    (a) Quantities exceeding 20 lb (9.1 kg), but not exceeding 100 lb (45.4 kg), shall be stored in portable wooden boxes having walls of at least 1-in (25.4-mm) thickness.

    (b) Quantities exceeding 100 lb (45.4 kg), but not exceeding 800 lb (363 kg), shall be stored in non portable storage cabinets having walls of at least 1-in (25.4-mm)thickness. Not more than 400 lb (181 kg) may be stored in any one cabinet and cabinets shall be separated by a distance of at least 25 ft (7.63 m) or by a fire partition having a fire resistance of at least 1 hour.

    (c) Quantities exceeding 800 lb (363 kg), but not exceeding 5,000 lb (2268 kg), may be stored in a building if the following requirements are met:

    1. The warehouse or storage room shall not be accessible to unauthorized personnel.
    2. Smokeless propellant shall be stored in nonportable storage cabinets having wood walls at least 1 inc. (25.4 mm) thick and having shelves with no more than 3 ft (0.92 m) separation between shelves.
    3. No more than 400 lb (181 kg) shall be stored in any one cabinet.
    4. Cabinets shall be located against walls of the storage room or warehouse with at least 40 ft (12.2 m) between cabinets.
    5. Separation between cabinets may be reduced to 250 ft (6.1m) if barricades twice the height of the cabinets are attached to the wall, midway between each cabinet. The barricades shall extend at least 10 ft (3m) outward, shall be firmly attached to the wall, and shall be constructed of 1/4-inc. (6.4-mm) boiler plate, 2-in. (51-mm) thick wood, brick, or concrete block.
    6. Smokeless propellant shall be separated from materials classified by the U.S. Department of Transportation as flammable liquids, flammable solids, and oxidizing materials by a distance of 25 ft (7.63mm) or by a fire partition having a fire resistance of at least 1 hour.
    7. The building shall be protected by an automatic sprinkler system installed accordingly to NFPA 13, Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems..

    (d) Smokeless propellants not stored according to (a), (b) and (c) above shall be stored in a Type 4 magazine constructed and located according to Chapter 6.
     
  4. winmagman

    winmagman Well-Known Member

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    Thanks abinok

    Thats exactly what I was looking for. I've got 8 or 9 pounds on hand in 1lb containers and was looking to pick up a couple of 5lb kegs of Re 22 and an 8lb keg of H4831sc. Looks like I'll be building a wood cabinet with at least 1" walls, shouldn't be to tough.

    Chris
     
  5. sewwhat89

    sewwhat89 Well-Known Member

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    I have always been told and followed the law to state, " IN RESIDENCE to mean in your house.

    I was told the same thing by my insurance agent after she spoke with her supers. I store all my powder in my shop, and its detached from my residence. THEREFORE, that part of the law does not pertain to my situation.

    HOWEVER, I do believe you should follow some good common sense and store the powder responsibly. The cans/bottles in which powder comes these days from the manufacturers will not explode but rather bust at the seams. Take precautions that help you sleep at night. jm2c