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<blockquote data-quote="Old teacher" data-source="post: 994179" data-attributes="member: 48420"><p>Bruce: thanks for the help you are giving all of us here in WA. You are dead on when you say Seattle is the key. The ultra-liberal Seattleites are always the deciding factor on almost any initiative. Two years ago I watched all the returns coming in, and our gay marriage and the legalization of marijuana were well on their way to defeat as the sparsely populated and very conservative Eastern Washington votes were coming in very early and opposing both initiatives en masse. Being heavily populated, it is not unusual for the Seattle votes to take until the next day to be fully counted. Their liberal votes passed both the above mentioned initiatives, although not by large margins as I recall. From Bellingham to the North all the way to south Tacoma, the vote on this will be an overwhelming yes. North of Bellingham is farm country and very good duck and goose hunting, and there are a lot of gun people up there. Between Bellingham and the Canadian border is the only rifle range available to the public as far as I know. Our only other range is a hotline and you cannot retrieve your targets which pretty much eliminates any handloaders from even using it. There is one other 200 yard range, but the facilities are pathetic and the memberships are $200. We pretty much have to rely on gravel pits to do our shooting here. I would guess Whatcom County, which is everything north of Bellingham will be a push. Although there are a lot of rifle and trapshooters there, there is also the manically ultra religious groups of Lynden with a population of about 15,000, and my guess is they will support 594. South of Bellingham is Mt. Vernon, Burlington, Sedro-Woolly, and Stanwood, all of which are split...lots of liberals, lots of conservatives. Eastern Skagit county is a hotbed of illegal pot growers, and the deer hunters around here, including me, usually carry handguns in case they stumble into a five acre pot field guarded by scary guys with AK's. So I think this area will essentially non-players in the decision since the vote will be 50-50. South of us is the Seattle through Tacoma, and they will be making the decision. But surprises do happen. Crime in Seattle is high and a ton of people have CC permits, so it is hard to predict whether they will view this initiative as a way to get better protection from LE making their CC permits unnecessary, or whether they will intelligently view this as even more evidence supporting their need for a CC permit. I don't know how this will all shake out in the end. We have had good support from both houses of the legislature over the years, passing "must grant" laws on CC permits, passing "Stand your ground" legislation, passing legislation to allow suppressors, etc., and they are not going to be happy if all that goes down the drain if 594 passes. My current take on this is that 594 will pass, 591 will be close but will fail, and we will have to live with this for two years at which time the legislature will take most of the teeth out of it with the exception of the paragraphs that pertain to handguns. If it passes and stands as is, we will be the most restrictive gun law state in the Union with the possible exception of New York. From 5 to 49 is a long, hard drop. So if any of you have any relatives or know anyone in Washington that you can reason (as Bruce did) with to vote against this, thousands of people will be grateful. I considered liquidating almost all of my collection prior to the date this will take effect, but decided to ride it out and see what happens down the road. Thanks for listening.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Old teacher, post: 994179, member: 48420"] Bruce: thanks for the help you are giving all of us here in WA. You are dead on when you say Seattle is the key. The ultra-liberal Seattleites are always the deciding factor on almost any initiative. Two years ago I watched all the returns coming in, and our gay marriage and the legalization of marijuana were well on their way to defeat as the sparsely populated and very conservative Eastern Washington votes were coming in very early and opposing both initiatives en masse. Being heavily populated, it is not unusual for the Seattle votes to take until the next day to be fully counted. Their liberal votes passed both the above mentioned initiatives, although not by large margins as I recall. From Bellingham to the North all the way to south Tacoma, the vote on this will be an overwhelming yes. North of Bellingham is farm country and very good duck and goose hunting, and there are a lot of gun people up there. Between Bellingham and the Canadian border is the only rifle range available to the public as far as I know. Our only other range is a hotline and you cannot retrieve your targets which pretty much eliminates any handloaders from even using it. There is one other 200 yard range, but the facilities are pathetic and the memberships are $200. We pretty much have to rely on gravel pits to do our shooting here. I would guess Whatcom County, which is everything north of Bellingham will be a push. Although there are a lot of rifle and trapshooters there, there is also the manically ultra religious groups of Lynden with a population of about 15,000, and my guess is they will support 594. South of Bellingham is Mt. Vernon, Burlington, Sedro-Woolly, and Stanwood, all of which are split...lots of liberals, lots of conservatives. Eastern Skagit county is a hotbed of illegal pot growers, and the deer hunters around here, including me, usually carry handguns in case they stumble into a five acre pot field guarded by scary guys with AK's. So I think this area will essentially non-players in the decision since the vote will be 50-50. South of us is the Seattle through Tacoma, and they will be making the decision. But surprises do happen. Crime in Seattle is high and a ton of people have CC permits, so it is hard to predict whether they will view this initiative as a way to get better protection from LE making their CC permits unnecessary, or whether they will intelligently view this as even more evidence supporting their need for a CC permit. I don't know how this will all shake out in the end. We have had good support from both houses of the legislature over the years, passing "must grant" laws on CC permits, passing "Stand your ground" legislation, passing legislation to allow suppressors, etc., and they are not going to be happy if all that goes down the drain if 594 passes. My current take on this is that 594 will pass, 591 will be close but will fail, and we will have to live with this for two years at which time the legislature will take most of the teeth out of it with the exception of the paragraphs that pertain to handguns. If it passes and stands as is, we will be the most restrictive gun law state in the Union with the possible exception of New York. From 5 to 49 is a long, hard drop. So if any of you have any relatives or know anyone in Washington that you can reason (as Bruce did) with to vote against this, thousands of people will be grateful. I considered liquidating almost all of my collection prior to the date this will take effect, but decided to ride it out and see what happens down the road. Thanks for listening. [/QUOTE]
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